 Recent Herp Discussion | | | | | | | | Online Users: 193 | | 137 members and 56 guests | | $N@K3$, 888lowndes888, ad, adelherper, ally_pup, andy23, andyscott, ANTARESIA1, anzac, bat088, bella7, billyh, blading, book, boxhead, BrownHash, butters, c moore, Chris89, chrisso81, Christopher, clarkey, cleopatra2285, Colletts, congo_python, cris, Dan19, daniel0, darkangel, Dave94, daz927, della91, denno, dixilizards, Dmoore, dpeica, dragon lady, Earthling, fishead, frankc, funcouple, Fuscus, garthy, Glider, Glidergirl, Goannas1, hardcorey007, herpkeeper, hobbo, hodges, Homebrand91, hornet, Hsut77, inthegrass, jaydog818, jd snakes, jimmyd, jonesc1, Jonno from ERD, Joy from S & T, junglepython2, Jungle_Freak, kandi, kane007, Karadiddly, KatanaRamirez, Khagan, Kyro, lauren87, Leigh, lizzy_reptile, Luke1, male@mynet.net.au, Marto167, Marz, MatE, Matty.B, Matty007, mattyandnat, midnightserval, mitchyj, MrBredli, mrmikk, Mrs I, Mudimans, mysnakesau, Nagraj, Nephrurus, nervous, Nikki_Elmo, nonamesleft, oldmate, omally, opalwood, paleoherp, pete12, pythons73, raged, rage_83, Raptor_Reptiles, reedysreptiles, reptile32, reptilesDownUnder, Reptile_Boy, Reptipal, rowlz, serpenttongue, sevrum, shnakey, Shonfield, shooshoo, skunk, steph, Stitched, travie, TURBO8, tympanocryptis, varley, VixenBabe, W.T.BUY, waruikazi, Whimsey, White Wolf, wokka, zoocam | |  | | 
08-Oct-07, 06:51 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Apr-07 Location: Vic | | | |
here here jordy!
|
08-Oct-07, 06:57 PM
|  | Seller | Join Date: Jul-07 Location: Gold Coast Gender:  | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Forensick  i would like to say yes....
as i would with most animals....
what makes your child so great? or mine? or my sisters? that it is worth more than the extinction of a species WE got in the way of....
and either way, i grew up in the city, and was always taught if you see a snake, stay still and it will go away.... and what to do if it bit me...
how many people die each year from snake bites, and what % of them died because they either provoked the snake, or didnt treat the bite properly? | Forensick, think about what you are saying. Are you seriously saying that you would rather sacrifice your child than cause the extinction of a species of dangerous snake? You obviously dont have children Forensick, or you have no concept of the value of human life! I love snakes too! Keeping them is wonderful, its a fantastic and fulfilling hobby. But I would gladly sacrifice all of my snakes to save the life of a child. And I'm sure that if you thought about it, you would too.
|
08-Oct-07, 06:58 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-07 Location: Syd Gender:  | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by urodacus_au If you dont like snakes, dont go camping. Simple.
As for killing sharks, thats a redneck response too. Remember the fact that we dont belong in the ocean but we choose to enter it knowing the risk. If the odd human gets picked off its no great loss, not like Homo sapiens are facing extinction. People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions, if you dont want to be eaten by a shark, dont go swimming in their backyard!
Jordan | completely agree.
|
08-Oct-07, 07:02 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-06 Location: Darwin NT Age/Gender: 23 | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Renee Forensick, think about what you are saying. Are you seriously saying that you would rather sacrifice your child than cause the extinction of a species of dangerous snake? You obviously dont have children Forensick, or you have no concept of the value of human life! I love snakes too! Keeping them is wonderful, its a fantastic and fulfilling hobby. But I would gladly sacrifice all of my snakes to save the life of a child. And I'm sure that if you thought about it, you would too. | How are they instantly putting your child at risk? What you are doing is setting a bad example, making a child think that killing a snake is tha right thing to do. Forget the legalities, killing a snake is a very very dangerous thing to do, far more dangerous than letting it go about its business.
__________________
Gordo
Damn it man, I cannot make bricks without clay!
|
08-Oct-07, 07:03 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-07 Location: Syd Gender: | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Renee Forensick, think about what you are saying. Are you seriously saying that you would rather sacrifice your child than cause the extinction of a species of dangerous snake? You obviously dont have children Forensick, or you have no concept of the value of human life! I love snakes too! Keeping them is wonderful, its a fantastic and fulfilling hobby. But I would gladly sacrifice all of my snakes to save the life of a child. And I'm sure that if you thought about it, you would too. | Hi Renee ,
I'm not necessarily speaking for Forensick here , but I think you'd agree that there is a difference between forfeiting your snake collection to save your child as opposed to
killing a snake that wandered into your yard incase it might bite your child. I mean if you
have enough time to go a get a shovel to kill it , then you have enough time to take your
child indoors.
|
08-Oct-07, 07:07 PM
| | | |
Renee I can totally understand where you are coming from but when I lived on a property with young children I educated myself and the kids about the best way to keep snakes away from the house and yard and what to do if anyone saw one.
Before I cleaned up everything that a snake could possibly be attracted to and got some geese to hang around the house we used to see some very dangerous snakes almost weekly. Once the cleanup was finished and the geese were inplace I never saw another snake near the house or the stables even during the cane crush when snakes were often flushed out.
Its all about the education of everyone concerned and kids are never too young to learn about the danger of some of our wildlife.
|
08-Oct-07, 07:08 PM
| | Seller | Join Date: Jul-07 Location: Gold Coast Gender: | | | |
I agree with you natrix, maybe I was being a touch hasty is saying i would kill any snake that entered my backyard. And you are all right in saying that it is dangerous to try to kill a snake. I agree with that too. What I dont agree with, is Forensicks statement:
"what makes your child so great? or mine? or my sisters? that it is worth more than the extinction of a species WE got in the way of...."
|
08-Oct-07, 07:09 PM
| | Seller | Join Date: Jul-07 Location: Gold Coast Gender: | | | |
I agree with you too alteara. Good point.
|
08-Oct-07, 07:15 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: Six feet under Gender: | | | |
Renee: Does that also mean you kill any spiders, wasps or bees that come into your yard?
They to have the potential to kill/harm your child.
Where do you draw the line??
Their trampoline or swing set probably has more chance of harming them.
__________________ Type o negative \m/ |
08-Oct-07, 07:18 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: Six feet under Gender: | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by urodacus_au If you dont like snakes, dont go camping. Simple.
As for killing sharks, thats a redneck response too. Remember the fact that we dont belong in the ocean but we choose to enter it knowing the risk. If the odd human gets picked off its no great loss, not like Homo sapiens are facing extinction. People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions, if you dont want to be eaten by a shark, dont go swimming in their backyard!
Jordan | True.
They reckon you have more chance of being killed in a car accident or stung by a bee on the way to the beach then being killed by a shark.
__________________ Type o negative \m/ |
08-Oct-07, 07:29 PM
|  | Sdaji Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-04 Location: Victoria | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Renee Forensick, think about what you are saying. Are you seriously saying that you would rather sacrifice your child than cause the extinction of a species of dangerous snake? You obviously dont have children Forensick, or you have no concept of the value of human life! I love snakes too! Keeping them is wonderful, its a fantastic and fulfilling hobby. But I would gladly sacrifice all of my snakes to save the life of a child. And I'm sure that if you thought about it, you would too. | Renee, you are obviously passionate about human life, and nothing will change the way you feel about it, but not everyone feels the same way you do. Many people would think it is outright evil to sacrifice an entire species for the sake of one human life, even if it is their own. Many people have given their lives to try to save species, or in some cases even individual animals.
Many people who like snakes have been bitten by them, and defended the snake which had envenomated them. The people you're talking to can think about it all they like, they're not going to agree with you, just as you will never agree with them. If a snake had already bitten and killed someone I loved, well, it would be far too late to do any good by killing the snake, so why would you do so? Are you that spiteful? If it came down to killing a snake to protect someone I cared about, yes, I'd probably do it, but realistically, that situation is very unlikely to ever exist.
__________________
Automated signature.
|
08-Oct-07, 07:31 PM
| | Seller | Join Date: Jul-07 Location: Gold Coast Gender: | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by GSXR_Boy Renee: Does that also mean you kill any spiders, wasps or bees that come into your yard?
They to have the potential to kill/harm your child.
Where do you draw the line??
Their trampoline or swing set probably has more chance of harming them. | I am not at all suggesting that any spider/bee etc. should be killed, all I am suggesting is that elapid snakes are some of the most dangerous creatures in the world, and that I would give my life to protect my children, let alone kill a brown snake. Drastic? maybe... Educating your children on the dangers of snakes - yes probably a better idea, I agree. However, GSXR Boy, I'm sure you are a little misinformed in comparing venomous snakes to spiders and bees. I would rather come face to face with a bee any day, than with a king brown.  |
08-Oct-07, 07:36 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: Six feet under Gender: | | |
Oh okay silly me!!!! 
Here i was thinking a funnel web or redback or european wasps may have the potential to harm/kill your kids.
__________________ Type o negative \m/ |
08-Oct-07, 07:57 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Apr-07 Location: Melbourne Gender: | | | |
Renee
i would rather give my life than see a species exterminated, regardless of the species.
and that is because i DO have a VERY good understanding of the value of a human life.
i am one of 6 billion.
i, like you, and everyone else, are essentially nothing.
on the same level, an entire species IS something.
also, renee, you'll find more people ARE killed by bees (and even peanuts) than snakes, so by your logic, the bees should be killed as those pose an even GREATER risk.
not to mention your pet dog is more likely to kill your child than a snake
__________________ My heart within me I can feel, and I judge that it exists. This world I can touch, and I likewise judge that it exists. There ends all my knowledge, and the rest is construction.
There is but one truly serious philosophical problem and that is suicide.
|
08-Oct-07, 08:00 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Apr-07 Location: NSW- Mid North Coast Age/Gender: 19 | | | |
Hey chris, dont worry mate i take great care when scaring the browns off i keep my distance so there is no chance of being bit. But to my horror when i was talking to my father bout this thread he told me that someone come up to the office today and said there was a red belly black snake and they needed a shovel. My dad told them not to and quickly went down the back but by the time he got there the people had already found a shovel and killed it =(
__________________ Check out my pictures and add me!!! | | |
|
