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03-Apr-08, 05:32 PM
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hey everyone,
i was at a training night for my work the other night for 'Jungle' products. in australia they are all about the aquarium stuff but they do have a line of medicated reotile food out in the US which they are attempting to bring over here and distribute through the Paradise chain. basically it's a pellet form food like the exo-terra beardie food and what not but it has medication on it, specially an anti-bacteral agent and a wormer to be feed all the time not just when animals are sick. the talk itself wasn't on their reptile stuff they just meantioned it, i can't find their web info on it but here's a link with the smae woman talking about the foods http://www.reptilestv.com/video/feat...le_xtra/01.htm
what does everyone think of this? it seems weird to me
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03-Apr-08, 05:37 PM
|  | Be The Rat! Subscriber | Join Date: Jul-07 Location: SEQLD Age/Gender: 21  | | | | sounds like multidrugresistent bacteria and fungal infections to me
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03-Apr-08, 05:44 PM
| | Be The Rat! Subscriber | Join Date: Jul-07 Location: SEQLD Age/Gender: 21 | | | | i dont know if they will come over here as metronidazole is a S4 drug and must be prescribed by a vet who has seen the animal. same goes for the antibiotic. i think they would have made a better choice in going with probiotics.
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03-Apr-08, 06:28 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-07 Location: sydney Age/Gender: 21 | | | | that was exactly my first thought, unfortunately i couldn't get into a public debate with this woman at the time.
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03-Apr-08, 10:17 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-07 Location: New York Gender: | | | | Great find Wood_nymph. I would have LOVED to see a greater range of reptile items in Australia. I am not sure about feeding your pets on medicated food all the time – but I do see an advantage of using it to drench them or if you own a pet shop – I can see them keeping them on medicated food due over crowding and the like.
It is not much different from the feed used for chickens in farms – Egg laying chickens (Highline Gold) are feed medicated food – due to their breed they would die without the medications. Salmon and many other intensively farmed foods are the same. |
03-Apr-08, 10:21 PM
| | Be The Rat! Subscriber | Join Date: Jul-07 Location: SEQLD Age/Gender: 21 | | | | no it will just be another reason for stupid people to not take their animals to a vet because they think they can get a quick cheap fix from the pet store. and then when resistance does appear suddenly the price will go up on treatments as new drugs will need to be established
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03-Apr-08, 10:27 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-07 Location: sydney Age/Gender: 21 | | | | yeah i don't like the idea of people being able to get it from a pet shop, there's already too many people who come in for serious mammal illness cause they don't want to go to the vet cause of $$$$.
i didn't think of commerical application though, it might be a goo dthing for petshop who sells reptiles to use it when crowding is an issue
i was actually very dissapointed about their 'range' when they meantioned it it sounded like heaps of stuff but it's just that alone
i thought i actually heard over worming or worming without reason of reps can be harmful, anyone else know about this?
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03-Apr-08, 10:33 PM
| | Be The Rat! Subscriber | Join Date: Jul-07 Location: SEQLD Age/Gender: 21 | | | | i honestly see it as useless as the therapeutic dose of these drugs is based on weight, and they have to calculate into the fact how much an animal could eat so it didn't overdose itself. therefore i think the animals would always be getting less then therapeutic dose......... another reason for resistance.
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04-Apr-08, 07:56 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-07 Location: New York Gender: | | | | I agree with Helikaon – I very much doubt Australians will see the products on the shelves in the near future – the contain poultry meal. My understanding Australia restricts the import of bone/meat meal from everywhere except New Zealand. (source of information ICON database)
They contain the following:
Trimethoprim (0.42%), Sodium Sulfadiazine (0.21%).
Metronidazole (1.0%), Fenbendazole (0.5%)
I am no expert – but I expect all these products are available in commercial stock/chicken/fish feed in Australia now.
Also these foods are suggested as medication – not every day food. I can see them been very popular with breeders and people with large collections. You get a new animal and feed it medicated feed for a few weeks during quarantine.
Vets in the US also recommend worming your reptiles every 6 months. (It is repeated often in the vet text books).
Also a little about medicating animals – Fenbendazole is used in the bird industry – it is added to the water to medicate chicken warms. How is this a “controlled” dose?
Also do you think a breeder should have to take 100+ animals to the vet every 6 moths for their twice yearly warming? (As recommended in UK vet text books)? Or should there be items bought over the counter like with all other animal husbandry.  |
04-Apr-08, 08:27 AM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Feb-08 Location: On the wild side Gender: | | | | Don't like the idea myself.... I don't like the idea of medicating if there isn't an actual problem, that would be like having chemo just incase you get cancer.
When a problem arises, we already have the required drugs to deal with it available in Australia which can easily be injected into food (rat or mouse), so personally i can't see a point in this product. That being said there may be plenty of people that will use it.
Cheers,
Ishka
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04-Apr-08, 09:17 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-07 Location: New York Gender: | | | | ishka - the market for these products is vegetarian animals – Blue tongue lizards, dragons… Not snakes – so you cannot just inject it into a mouse/rat– and it is not easy to get your dragon to take worming paste or liquid.
I 100% agree one should not medicate when there is no need to. That is why I have my reptiles assessed by a medical scientist who specialises in protozoa identification before I give anything to my babies. |
04-Apr-08, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Miss_Croft  ishka - the market for these products is vegetarian animals – Blue tongue lizards, dragons | Since when have these animals been vegetarian?
They are perfectly fine to feed them pinky mice as far as i am aware.
Cheers,
Ishka
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04-Apr-08, 09:25 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jun-06 Location: CQ | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss_Croft Also do you think a breeder should have to take 100+ animals to the vet every 6 moths for their twice yearly warming? (As recommended in UK vet text books)? Or should there be items bought over the counter like with all other animal husbandry. | You don't need to go to a VET to worm your snakes... Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss_Croft ishka - the market for these products is vegetarian animals – Blue tongue lizards, dragons… Not snakes – so you cannot just inject it into a mouse/rat– and it is not easy to get your dragon to take worming paste or liquid. ] | Blueys and Dragons are not vegetarian...
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