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12-Apr-07, 09:45 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: Townsville, North QLD Age/Gender: 21  | | |  Movement of our herps... opinions please
Hi ladies and germs..... before i get started can we plase not turn this into a handling/not handling debate which always seems to end up turning stupid and offensive....
Last night a i attended my first NQ Herp Society meeting where a member from QPWS attending as a guest speaker in regards to movement of our herps. I compliment him for coming straight into the firing line.
Basically most of us are aware that we are not allowed to take them anywhere but the vets.
Now in my eyes this is ridiculous.
Ponder this for a moment..... we can take any dog say a pit bull (im not saying they are always nasty im just using this as an example) anywhere we like, public places, friends house etc. Now i would take a bite from my 3m male olive over a dog bite anyday (had both not fun  ).
I can speak for at least 90% of the herp keepers when i say that we responsible and would not take our mental case spawn of satan jungles over to our friends house or to a herp meeting where other ppl, snakes nd kids will be.
The defence the QPSW memeber expressed was that yes its only 90% that would do that...... now come off it how many times, especially in those dog off leash exercise areas do u get idiots that let thier dog loose that obviously isnt socialised (or very much a hornbag if u catch me).... so again it would be 10% of dog owners that are knobs am I correct?
So why aren't we allowed to take our herps anywhere? Is this because of the public persona of reptiles? so wouldnt it be smarter if these awesome animals were displayed (for lack of a better word) more so the public could be educated and hopefully resulting in them being more accepted???? I'd have to say I have turned more people into at least accepting them and not hitting them with a shovel now than having anyone run scared.
I dont expect there to be reptile off leash areas  ... i'm not expecting that we can take them down the beach (perhaps set times that we can....which they do with dogs back in NSW) ......just a little more freedom....
Perhaps like an applied and approved month or 3 month movement advice eg 1 morelia bredli will be taken to xxxxx (place of herp meeting) X amount of times and xxxxx (mums house etc) X amount of times during this period. Yes it would be hard to govern I understand but there must be something we could do.
The other thing he pointed out is what if our herps got loose.... again someones kelpie gets out and mauls a kid eat snative wildlife etc.... someones python gets out and probably sleeps in a shed for a few months....
And yes I understand that the effect that a MD getting out in nth qld could cause some probs on a natural breeding point but whats the damage of a cat or a dog to the native environment???
So what are everyones thoughts on this and is there anyway we can approach someone in regards to this????
Thanks guys!!! 
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12-Apr-07, 09:52 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: Townsville, North QLD Age/Gender: 21 | | | |
by the way mods if i have breached something by putting stuff in about the QPWS member i apologise.... plz remove or ask me to remove the bad bits.... thanks
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[CENTER][SIZE=1]Over the 'Coastals are ugly, lets feed them to BHPs' thing.[/SIZE][/CENTER]
[CENTER][SIZE=1]7 x Coastal, 2 x Bredli, 1 x MD, 2 x Jungle, 1 x Darwin, 1 x Water Python, 1 x Woma, 1 x Intergrade + numerous on order......[/SIZE][/CENTER]
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12-Apr-07, 10:05 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jul-06 Location: Toowoomba Gender: | | | |
interesting!! i argee with every thing you have said, not sure where to start or whom to contact ( EPA???), i have a sneaking suspision a lot of people just take them where ever they want any way, ( not pointing fingres at any one)
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12-Apr-07, 10:10 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Apr-07 Location: Queanbeyan, NSW Age: 25 | | | |
I was actually not aware that we couldn't move our snakes around asides from the vets. I am in NSW and a mate of mine move our snakes in between each others house for babysitting and sometimes work to show them off.
In how many states is this law??
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12-Apr-07, 10:11 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: Townsville, North QLD Age/Gender: 21 | | |
thanks shelby.... i take my herps down the beach and to my friends places, into work sometimes (one of the mechanics swapped me a ride in his corvette for a pat of my bredli lol), my mum gets the poos if i dont bring someone over when i come over for dinner every week ....
I was just hoping there was some legal way we could put forward cos the last thing we want is to have our herps taken off us for doing something we think is reasonable....
keep em coming....
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[CENTER][I][I][B]Go take a step outside and see what's shaking in the real world...[/B] [/I][/I][/CENTER]
[CENTER][SIZE=1]Over the 'Coastals are ugly, lets feed them to BHPs' thing.[/SIZE][/CENTER]
[CENTER][SIZE=1]7 x Coastal, 2 x Bredli, 1 x MD, 2 x Jungle, 1 x Darwin, 1 x Water Python, 1 x Woma, 1 x Intergrade + numerous on order......[/SIZE][/CENTER]
[CENTER][URL="http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/swingonthespiral_album/"][SIZE=1]http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/swingonthespiral_album/[/SIZE][/URL][/CENTER]
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12-Apr-07, 10:12 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: Townsville, North QLD Age/Gender: 21 | | | |
apparently all of them.... NSW has TC on thier books (temporary care) but i was informed it was in all states.....
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[CENTER][I][I][B]Go take a step outside and see what's shaking in the real world...[/B] [/I][/I][/CENTER]
[CENTER][SIZE=1]Over the 'Coastals are ugly, lets feed them to BHPs' thing.[/SIZE][/CENTER]
[CENTER][SIZE=1]7 x Coastal, 2 x Bredli, 1 x MD, 2 x Jungle, 1 x Darwin, 1 x Water Python, 1 x Woma, 1 x Intergrade + numerous on order......[/SIZE][/CENTER]
[CENTER][URL="http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/swingonthespiral_album/"][SIZE=1]http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/swingonthespiral_album/[/SIZE][/URL][/CENTER]
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12-Apr-07, 10:15 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jun-05 Location: Sydney, Aust. | | | |
quarantine is a good reason not to move your herps
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12-Apr-07, 10:17 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Jul-06 Location: Toowoomba Gender: | | | |
yeah its on my books to (TC) (QLD) that was a sweet trade!!!! will ring my epa and ask, not sure what the answer will be, they can only say no
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12-Apr-07, 10:19 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-06 Location: Mornington Peninsula Gender: | | | |
You can also transport for selling and shipping and thats it in effect we do not really OWN our herps but are granted limited ownership under the licence agreement by the powers that be.
The exception are display commercial liceneces, also was anyone in vic aware of the infrigment point system? and do they know how many infringement points we have to loose before the licence is revoked or how many we begin with?
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12-Apr-07, 10:19 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-06 Location: Brisbane Age/Gender: 23  | | | |
I think its a great law and should be kept in place.(i never thought i would ever say something like that)
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12-Apr-07, 10:19 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Apr-07 Location: Queanbeyan, NSW Age: 25 | | | |
Hm in that case then, I'd better stop moving my snake. Would hate to see what fine or what they would hit you with.
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12-Apr-07, 10:24 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: Townsville, North QLD Age/Gender: 21 | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by olivehydra  quarantine is a good reason not to move your herps | i do understand that and it is a good point, i do quarantine my herps when they come in and i always wash my hands between herps etc... but if we want to risk it shouldnt it be our choice...and they dont quartine in the wild..... just a thought im not having a go...
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[CENTER][I][I][B]Go take a step outside and see what's shaking in the real world...[/B] [/I][/I][/CENTER]
[CENTER][SIZE=1]Over the 'Coastals are ugly, lets feed them to BHPs' thing.[/SIZE][/CENTER]
[CENTER][SIZE=1]7 x Coastal, 2 x Bredli, 1 x MD, 2 x Jungle, 1 x Darwin, 1 x Water Python, 1 x Woma, 1 x Intergrade + numerous on order......[/SIZE][/CENTER]
[CENTER][URL="http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/swingonthespiral_album/"][SIZE=1]http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/swingonthespiral_album/[/SIZE][/URL][/CENTER]
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12-Apr-07, 10:27 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: Townsville, North QLD Age/Gender: 21 | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by cris I think its a great law and should be kept in place.(i never thought i would ever say something like that) | can i ask why you think its a good idea??? again not having a go i just wanted ot know your thoughts....
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[CENTER][I][I][B]Go take a step outside and see what's shaking in the real world...[/B] [/I][/I][/CENTER]
[CENTER][SIZE=1]Over the 'Coastals are ugly, lets feed them to BHPs' thing.[/SIZE][/CENTER]
[CENTER][SIZE=1]7 x Coastal, 2 x Bredli, 1 x MD, 2 x Jungle, 1 x Darwin, 1 x Water Python, 1 x Woma, 1 x Intergrade + numerous on order......[/SIZE][/CENTER]
[CENTER][URL="http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/swingonthespiral_album/"][SIZE=1]http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z70/swingonthespiral_album/[/SIZE][/URL][/CENTER]
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12-Apr-07, 10:28 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-06 Location: Brisbane Age/Gender: 23 | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by swingonthespiral i do understand that and it is a good point, i do quarantine my herps when they come in and i always wash my hands between herps etc... but if we want to risk it shouldnt it be our choice...and they dont quartine in the wild..... just a thought im not having a go... | Why should it be your choice to risk our wild snakes?
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12-Apr-07, 10:30 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-06 Location: Brisbane Age/Gender: 23 | | | |
basically taking captive snakes around everwhere will also take captive diseases(suych as OPMV) around everywhere too.
There is also no need to be doing it to start with, wanting to is differant to needing to.
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