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15-May-08, 11:52 AM
|  | Impatient Snake Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-07 Location: Sydney Gender:  | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by thepythonpit  you just keep doign things your way mate , it works for you thats great .
dont however tell me im wrong because your lazy and dont do the right thing for your pets ..
i have learnt never to buy any snakes of YOU in the future just in case you are still preparing there food the way you do, and i will urge others to do the same.....waruikazi almost hit the nail on the head ,, | ...sounds like your collection will be going nowhere fast if that is how you choose who you will purchase from...is it possible to ONLY buy from yourself...? 
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15-May-08, 12:14 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Apr-08 Location: everywere and anywere at any time Age/Gender: 39 | | | | i know plenty of people that feed there snakes like i do , but thanks for your pointless opion it was worthless.... |
15-May-08, 12:21 PM
|  | slimin about! Subscriber | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: Cairns | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by thepythonpit i know plenty of people that feed there snakes like i do , but thanks for your pointless opion it was worthless.... | That's ok, anytime 
Opinions are like.... something or other... everyone has one... apparently you do too!
can't see why you think it was worthless though - it contained many truths and most certainly didn't diss your ideas.
I think you will find most people defrost their rats in a similar fashion to mine, aslans and many of the huge breeders. I guess some may also choose your way. Both are ok I am sure, I am just saying, and repeating apparently, it's ok - I just thought some of the information you have gathered may be incorrect. It's only fair to accept a small amount of constructive criticism. The results of which can do you no harm.
So sorry to force my pointless and worthless opinion on you - but is it really an opinion or was I just restating the facts? |
15-May-08, 12:22 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Oct-06 Location: Central Victoria Age/Gender: 31 | | | | Their are alot more variables for problematic bacterial growth than just how it is defrosted. The problem with 'nasties' is the number of them on the food item when it is offered to your snake. Nasties can live at 4 deg. C, but have trouble reproducing/growing what ever term floats your boat.
Freezing and defrosting is only a 'control' of the nasties and it would depend on how many were originally on/in the item. ie if the rat had just 2 of a problem causing nasie on/in it and it doubled every 2min for half an hour (in hot water for example) you would have 131072 at the end. What would happen if you started with 10, 20 or 1000. The key to food prep is to keep the food in of the 'Danger Zone' - 6deg c - 60 deg c for the least amount of time. I'd say that most peoples approaches are good, but never leave a food item out overnight to defrost on the bench, for a Snake, Human, Dog whatever.
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15-May-08, 07:25 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-07 Location: N.S.W Gender:  | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris.j Nothing beats it until the pinkies explode in the microwave. | EWWWWW! YUK, Wouldn't want to open the door on that one!  |
15-May-08, 07:51 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Apr-08 Location: Cairns, Queensland Age/Gender: 32 | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Zdogs EWWWWW! YUK, Wouldn't want to open the door on that one! | Ha ha, I imagine it would look something like when the Mum from Gremlins shoved one of the mutated gremlins into the microwave.
LOL.
Oh the memories.
Damn, am I showing my age?  |
15-May-08, 07:53 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Apr-08 Location: Cairns, Queensland Age/Gender: 32 | | | For those who remember...   |
15-May-08, 07:54 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Apr-08 Location: Cairns, Queensland Age/Gender: 32 | | | Ha ha. Man that was a funny movie. |
15-May-08, 08:17 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-08 Location: Brisbane Age/Gender: 30 | | | | Sath3n A Heat Element Like A Cord With A Thermostat Fantastic!!!!!! Its Going Straight On The Drawing Board. And For All The Other Disagreements Lets Face It When You Break Down The Pros And Cons We All Know The Safest Way Is Frozen To Warm Water. |
19-May-08, 11:50 PM
| | | | think about this....using an esky with a heat element would work alot better then a tub....less chance of melting the thing....a way to insure that it says hot if the heat fails for some reason use an aluminum inner lining would insure the water to stay warm as it would be like a thermal sheeting to it i mean steel dose not cool down fast but yet again this is just an idea |
19-May-08, 11:57 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: May-08 Location: south east qld Gender: | | | | a microwave is the worst idea in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why would you do this???????
do you like the amusment of the mouse/rat exploding?
last time i checked snakes dont like cooked meals...
cris
you should listen to ppl who know what they are on about..
P.M my any time if you want!! |
20-May-08, 07:55 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: Sydney, NSW | | | | Jeezze guys. We are talking about defrosting a mouse or rat here - for a snake! Do you not realise that if a snake could not tolerate a few nasties they would have not become one of the best adapted and wide spread species of animal in the world?
Who defrosts mice in a fridge overnight? What a waste of time, when throwing them in a sandwich bag, with hot water will defrost it in 1 minute, and heat it to about 40 degrees. |
20-May-08, 07:59 AM
| | slimin about! Subscriber | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: Cairns | | | Snakes also normally eat fresh killed mcloughlin |
20-May-08, 12:53 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-06 Location: Vic Age/Gender: 56 | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by slim6y Snakes also normally eat fresh killed mcloughlin | True, but I have seen a few references lately suggesting that some species don't mind already dead food items though not to the point of being carrion eaters. I have had plenty of wild caught elapids pass through on the way to relocation that will quite happily pig out on dead rats or mice, which might suggest they also take already dead in the wild along with the "nasties" |
20-May-08, 12:57 PM
| | slimin about! Subscriber | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: Cairns | | | Hence why I used the word 'normally' baxtor. Though very interesting what you've pointed out | | |
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