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10-Jan-05, 03:29 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-05 Location: the land down under | | | newb question on enclosure
hi guys ! im new to this forum & new to herp. i plan on getting my 1st snake in a months time or so, but b4 i go out & get one, i have a few questions.
firstly, im tihnking of getting a jungle carpet as a first snake, some ppl have suggested the Antaresia sp as a first snake, while others suggested a good first snake is basically what u want. (obviously nothing vemonous lol)
1) what size tank would be good to house one of these ? ill start of with a
yearling but i want to get a tank that will do for the rest of its life.
2) which type of heat source is best to use in the tank ? sum say heat
pads, some say heat globes. which is more economical to run ?
3) how much would i expect to pay for a black & gold jugle yearling ?
(AWESOME AWESOME x1000000 snake!! .....oh lord i tihnk i jsut wet
myself)
finnally, anyone in melb breed jungles ? i might even consider other species if i cant get me a black n gold.
hope u guys can help me out with some of these things !
cheers
Shaun
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10-Jan-05, 03:56 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Sunbury, Vic | | | | RE: newb question on enclosure
I think that there are some jungles on herptrader ATM.... I'll check.....YEP!! $400 each in Melb. Give them a buzz - they might be able to hold one for you until you get your stuff organised if you pay them now 
Good luck and welcome to the site
Bex
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10-Jan-05, 03:57 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Sep-04 Location: The far and bewildered mountainside of the strange region of Carpathia Age/Gender: 34  | | | | RE: newb question on enclosure
G'day skunk, welcome aboard.
Firstly, is it an actual glass tank you're after ? Glass tanks usually dont hold heat well and they open from above. Snakes tend to stay nervous when their enclosure opens from above. Its much better to build a timber enclosure with front glass sliding doors. Timber holds heat in the cage a lot better. If it is a yearling that you'll be getting then 1m long, 50cm high and 50cm wide are good dimensions for the cage. As an adult i would recommend 1.4m long 60cm wide and 1m high for its enclosure.
I wouldn't recommend a heat pad as its main source of heat. These are really designed to heat surfaces. You need to heat the air within the enclosure and allow a thermal gradient so it has a warm and cool end. I use normal house globes for day heat and ceramic globes for night heat. Both wired to a thermostat. You can use the globes in combination with the heat pad, but the heat pad should never be placed inside the cage. Place it underneath the enclosure. For a yearling Jungle i would imagine you'll be paying $500-600.
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10-Jan-05, 04:37 PM
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hi bex,
thanks for that ! yup i did check out herp trader too !! im just "lookin" around right now..cant buy anything untill iv gotten my license ! those jungles are sooooo nice !
serpenttongue,
i did speak to the guys down at the reptile joint & he did tell me that glass tanks dont hold heat as well too. i was thinking of getting them proper melamine vivariums for the snake.
which will i be best of doing ? going all out & buying a tank that will suit the snake for when it grows up to its full length ? or just buy a small click clack type container & keep it in there untill it gets bit bigger b4 buying a fullsized enclosure for the snake ? (read that if a small snake it put into a big tank, it gets stressed)
will a 4ft long x 2ft high x 2ft wide be enough for an adult jungle ?i dont know measurements in cm.. LOl
reason being for those dimensions is coz i have a 2 tier stand thta is that size & the tank will go on there. (got my 4x2x2 fish tank on the top, so i firuged it be nice to have a snake tank on the bottom)
IF i were to keep the snake in a click clack type tank, how do i heat it ? being a small pasltic tank, i wont be abble to hang a light globe off it ? lol
which size of snake is better to get ? a hatchie or a yearling ? (another newb question) i just want to make sure thta what i get is feeding & all is well !!
cheers
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10-Jan-05, 05:00 PM
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you can't really go out and buy a cage that will suit the snake for life. Cages are something you'll have to upgrade as you go.
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10-Jan-05, 05:22 PM
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soulweaver, whys is that ? i dont mean to sound rude or anything, but im just trying to save money lol..if i bought one that will house it for life, i wouldnt spend so much on a 2nd enclosure.
unless i get soo edicted to them i reach the stage where i myself will have to move into a vivarium!
cheers
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10-Jan-05, 05:22 PM
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i think my personal opion is that start basic melamine cage I started with 3x2x2 and done the job for a hatchling to juvienile, they are cheap then you can save and get a banked unit. I found although my limited knowledge is that you can house a sub adult alright in 1, but then you have to consider wherethere its arborel ( tree climber??) or ground dweller
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10-Jan-05, 05:34 PM
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The old vivs are necessary for when you buy more snakes thats just the way it is ! unless of course you are moosenoose 
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10-Jan-05, 06:01 PM
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farmdog, well i was thinking of getting a jungle carpet. those things climb yeah ? 2ft high enough for it to climb around on ? cant get a higher tank coz no space ! highest i can get is a 2.5ft high one, length is a max of 4ft for the tank.
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10-Jan-05, 06:11 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Sep-04 Location: The far and bewildered mountainside of the strange region of Carpathia Age/Gender: 34 | | | |
Skunk, this is what i do. I have the snakes "adult" cage up and running. Then i put the young snake in a clickclack or similar container and then this goes in the adult cage. I place the container in the centre of the larger cage where the temp will be around 28, making sure that the snake doesnt get too hot.
If you dont have a large cage thats wired up then you can keep it in a small container with a heat mat placed under half the container so only half the container floor gets heated and the snake has a warm and cool end.
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10-Jan-05, 06:15 PM
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Skunk jungles are highly arboreal as is most pythons. 2ft high is fine for a young python, even subadults.
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10-Jan-05, 06:16 PM
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skunk no expert but you'd be asking someone like JUNGLEINC or BROWNS they have jungles
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10-Jan-05, 06:56 PM
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Skunk, we discussed this a few days ago with another newbie that is hoping to get a Diamond Python. I think you'll find much of the info you need in this thread: http://www.aussiepythons.com/index.p...ewtopic&t=7885
Of course, if you have other questions - feel free to ask! 
Hix
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10-Jan-05, 06:59 PM
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I keep my jungle in a 3.5x4x2 ft enclosure. I dont think 2ft would be high enough for it. IMO
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10-Jan-05, 08:34 PM
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skunk, keep on asking thoese newbie questions. It saves me having to. 
BTW I'm the other newbie Hix was referring to.
Cheers,
Wombat.
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