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21-Jul-04, 05:47 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: NTH QLD | | | | Nice looking animal as a yearling but already has a fair amount of black...i bet it gets darker as an adult.
The coastal in the pic i posted is 7 years old...not that old but it won't get any darker..
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21-Jul-04, 06:02 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: NTH QLD | | | | By the way zoe,that is one cute little carpet!!!
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21-Jul-04, 06:07 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jun-03 Location: melbourne | | | awww thanx browns! 
she's a terror atm...too busy trying to kill me when i open the cage to bother with a mouse lol. ah well we'll get there eventually! |
21-Jul-04, 06:20 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: G>F>A>C AFRO!! | | | or it will starve to death  but i hope not |
21-Jul-04, 10:09 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Melbourne O>I>G>L Souly! | | | Could always give it to me if you are worried guys |
21-Jul-04, 10:16 PM
| | | | Why would it starve to death? |
21-Jul-04, 10:37 PM
| | | | it shouldn't...not with all those healthy meals of fingers etc. |
22-Jul-04, 12:36 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Apr-03 Location: sydney Age/Gender: 29  | | | | i think alot of people get done over because some normal coastal hatchlings have no black, but as they grow they develop black. So its not a case of a hypo coastal developing black, it just wasnt a hypo in the first place, just a light "normal" coastal. If it is a true hypomelanistic, then it wont have any black no matter of age. I would like to know how people can tell actually from such a young age? Ive had absolutely normal coastals with zero black untill about 4-5 months of age.
Just a quick edit.... is the term hypomelanistic a true genetic trait, or is it just a physical trait. for example, if a juv coastal has no black then its hypo, but if it grows and gets black then its simply not any more? OR, if an animal is truely hypo, it will never develop much black?
I also understand hypo just means reduced black, not no black.... but can you really say, a snake that grows out to have almost normal black pigment was ever a hypo??? you see heaps of hypo hatchling being sold that grow up to be pretty normal... so is this false advertising??? or were they hypo, just not anymore?
So far I have never really seen an adult carpet I would say had significantly reduced black, to a point where it distinctly stood out from most others. comparing juvs is pointles as ive seen total clutches of normal carpets hatch totally brick red, no black.
That hypo from URS has heaps of black... as much as most other carpets... just has very light colouration otherwise.
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22-Jul-04, 12:43 AM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: NTH QLD | | | | I had always thought hypomelanistic meant no black at all but stood corrected in another thread a way back on the subject.
hypo just means less of so a hypo coastal can still have some black,just a hell of a lot less than normal....
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22-Jul-04, 12:53 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Apr-03 Location: sydney Age/Gender: 29 | | | | Thanks BROWNS, when we talk about black, are we talking about "black black" or just dark pigment in general.. like that URS carpet for example... I reckon it has as much "black black" as most carpets, but it lacks HEAPS of dark pigment in general... is this what makes it a hypo?
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22-Jul-04, 01:08 AM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: NTH QLD | | | | Yeah I'm talking "black black" and to me the URS coastal has too much black that would make me not call it hypo...but that's just me..
The pic of the adult i posted i call hypo and i have also seen a pic of an incredible hypo with no pattern and no black at all which looked as though it wouldn't change at all....
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22-Jul-04, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by zoe Quote:
From URS Zoe?
Nice little coastal
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22-Jul-04, 11:54 AM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Cairns | | | Quote: |
Just a quick edit.... is the term hypomelanistic a true genetic trait, or is it just a physical trait. for example, if a juv coastal has no black then its hypo, but if it grows and gets black then its simply not any more? OR, if an animal is truely hypo, it will never develop much black?
| As you say, hypomelanistic is just a reduction in the amount of melanin the snake has. It's a general description of a physical feature. There is not really any such thing as 'a true hypo' it is something that you can call any snake with reduced melanin.
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22-Jul-04, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by africancichlidau Could always give it to me if you are worried guys | no worries afro, give me a call when hell freezes over  |
22-Jul-04, 02:38 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: NTH QLD | | | | Yep Mags,it is a description but to me it depends how reduced the melanin is....there are a few around...
What would you call a True Hypo then?
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