OPMV and Breeding Loans

[Aussie Python Lover]

ummmm isis i never said anything about it not ever being in the nt im just stating that ive not heard of it being here and hope to god that it dont cause i seriously love my pythons and couldnt deal with losing any of them......and my bad no not 12yo i meant a person whos been doin it for 12 years i would never have a need to quarantine any snake cause i wont do the loan thing and my coastal has been by herself since ive had her and freaks out at the sight of another snake even on the outside of her enclosure and like i said i hope to god i dont come across opmv here cause it would wipe out alot of awesome pythons and break alot of ppls hearts.....

[Aussie Python Lover]

ppl in here really shat the hell out of me i never said anything of the sort that there isnt anything like that here in darwin whether there is or not i just havent heard about it its wat i was saying ppl jump to the wrong conclusions of ppls comments which lead to ppl being nasty or making harsh remarks i aint close minded nor am i frickin naive adbacus you certainly dont know anything about me to make such remarks..... if you dont have anything nice to say then dont say it at all........i will state it again I DID NOT SAY THAT THERE WAS NOT ANY CASES IN DARWIN JUST THAT i HAVENT HEARD OF IT HERE.......Understand english?????

[Australis]

APL,

You still need to quarantine any new snake/s you get, incase they have something they can pass onto your other python/s.

Its not just about breeding loans, its new snakes coming into contact with the ones you already have.

Which is part of the reason i dont like the idea of keeping more than one snake in a enclosure, it only prevents the level of control you could have over a outbreak.

[Aussie Python Lover]

Fair enough if that comment was made by my wife but it wasnt.........

[Aussie Python Lover]

yes australis i know that.....but thats the thing i havent gotten any other pythons at the moment only my coastal and yes i do know about wat i need to do....thanks australis i dont have any other python enclosure with two in it just the one per enclosure and if breeding time comes i was told by a breeder/seller here in darwin that if i wanted to breed my coastal that either mine or a male would be qurantined for 3mths b4 introducing them......whether thats true is another story.. but i so far am not getting any pythons from down south all are born and bred here in darwin

[Nome]

Originally Posted by Aussie Python Lover

well im glad to put in my 2 cents worth that the opmv has not had a breakout in darwin so im happy to get my snakes off a 12yo professional seller/breeder.........i feel bad for the ppl who have opmv bad in thier states

APL, that's exactly what you said above, quoted from page one.

Man, you need to settle down...where was anyone nasty? I think you need to read better before you arc up like you do often in posts.

They made a point and what you said is a general perception people have, which is what I was trying to say - no one can say there is no breakout in their state/town...it's pretty safe to say OPMV is everywhere there are hobbyists. I would say at a guess that 90% of people that get it in their collection either don't know, or don't tell anyone. Sad thing about the disease, which is why regardless of reputation or how well you know someone, you still MUST quarantine new arrivals for 12 months or really you can't safely say you don't have it.

[Australis]

Its my understanding that 12 months is now the standard.

Its makes little to no difference what state you purchase the animals from.

I have little doubt that the NT would have OPMV cases, pythons are imported and exported from most states on a daily basis.....

[Aussie Python Lover]

well nome so far there havent been any reports here in darwin...... and as far as i know i hope to god that there isnt cause my cousin went through it down in dee why nsw with his collection and i can say that i hope it never comes up here.....and settle down and arcing up?? lol u seriously need to get to know me before you say im arcing up you have no idea about who i am or if im arcing up im just commenting if i was arcin up my second thrid fourth word would probably be a cuss word.......mate im as happy as larry at the moment i just dont like ppl calling me close minded or naive...........and i never said that there wasnt any type of breakout here at all just saying ive not heard of any breakouts here....

[Aussie Python Lover]

and if there was id certainly not be getting any pythons in with my coastal cause id rather see the day where she turns into a beautiful big python not 20mths old and dead in a box know what i mean .............

[spilota_variegata]

Originally Posted by Australis

Its my understanding that 12 months is now the standard.

Its makes little to no difference what state you purchase the animals from.

I have little doubt that the NT would have OPMV cases, pythons are imported and exported from most states on a daily basis.....

I'm no expert but I've been in Alice for 11 years. I have not heard of any cases of OPMV, but to be completely honest I don't stick my nose into other people's business and ask "G'day, have any of your snakes ever had OPMV?" I did hear of a suspected case of IBD about 8 years ago. The very responsible person immediately put their reptiles into quarantine, ceased their breeding program and stopped selling snakes. I have not heard from this person since and fortunately have not heard of any further cases.

Alice Springs is only a small town. Who knows what is going on elsewhere.

[Nome]

lol, okay APL I was just referring to your post below when I said 'arcing up'. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Originally Posted by Aussie Python Lover

ppl in here really shat the hell out of me i never said anything of the sort that there isnt anything like that here in darwin whether there is or not i just havent heard about it its wat i was saying ppl jump to the wrong conclusions of ppls comments which lead to ppl being nasty or making harsh remarks i aint close minded nor am i frickin naive adbacus you certainly dont know anything about me to make such remarks..... if you dont have anything nice to say then dont say it at all........i will state it again I DID NOT SAY THAT THERE WAS NOT ANY CASES IN DARWIN JUST THAT i HAVENT HEARD OF IT HERE.......Understand english?????

Back on topic.
What I find the hardest about this disease, it's like Boa said here or some other post, overseas they just take their live snakes and get them tested...it makes it so hard that we dont' have access to that kind of test here, we have to wait till it's developed. Even testing them when they are dead isn't that easy here too, we had to pay $450 for the histiopath alone on the dead diamond to get it tested, money we certainly didn't have to throw around, and most people wouldn't, big reason people don't test their snakes when they die from suspicious symptoms. Ive heard it's cheaper other places, I think we payed more to use IDXX which are the best and a result from them can be basically guaranteed as conclusive.

We are still 2 years at least away from getting a live snake test. While things are like this, 100s of collections could have OPMV in them and not even know. How many people you hear of losing a snake to a respiratory infection? That's one big way that OPMV manifests. I've rarely heard of any of those people getting the dead snake tested. That's what is scary, the amount of snakes that do die from assumed causes, but aren't tested....the vet we used (reputable herp vet) reckons that it 's in heaps of collections without the owners realizing.

[Australis]

Location means nothing, Anywhere people keep snakes OPMV will follow.............

[Ramsayi]

Pretty sure that in Western Australia IBD was detected around 7 years ago.Long before keeping was made legal in that state.Isolation certainly doesnt guarantee that a state is clean,afterall you couldn't get any more isolated that WA.

[junglepython2]

Does any one have data on risk to other herps in the same collection if one becomes infected?
ie is it 100% if they were never isolated or is it unknown?

[nightowl]

I think it is a bit hard to gather precise figures due to people's different levels of quarantine. If an infected animal was to physically come into contact with a 'clean' animal the possibility of infection would be extremely high. OPMV has been spread via handling equipment and is thought to be air born, so to not isolate a new animal is too risky.