Queensland Reptile Expo

[slimebo]

Originally Posted by expansa1

Excellent- Thanks. I wouldn't mind bringing some Caramel children's along, as well as some Painted turtles and Irwin's turtles. Are you also not allowed to bring commercial turtle species along, even if they are a colour morph?

as long as they are on the books they are fine and you can bring them

[slimebo]

Originally Posted by sengir

Hey Slimebo, who is the contact you have been dealing with at QPWS. They CANNOT stop you from selling products at the expo, as the commercial or private sale of belongings are not under the juristiction of QPWS, hence you can sell any products you want in a pet shop but only limited or no reptiles if you dont have a license. I deal a lot with QPWS, and they have no juristiction over selling of personal products, only reptiles as long as the reptiles are clearly marked that they are not for ale and at the opposite end to the reptiles, there shouldnt be a problem. I f they did have juristiction over selling of reptile products then you would need a license to sell reptile products in a shop which you certainly dont. Dont know who your dealing wiht at QPWS but I think thye are taking you for a ride.

Just what I have learnt thru my dealings with the legislation and QPWS.

CHeers

we had meetings with parks and wildlife at rocky and they had all the appropriate legislation printed out and we couldn't find a way around it.because we have non-commercial reptiles there,they are classed as being used as advertising so we couldn't sell any products whatsoever.thats why queensland pet shops aren't allowed to have carpets or any other non-commercial reptiles on display in there shops,because they can bring in customers and money will be made from non commercial snakes.its a bit nuts and confusing but at the end of the day we couldn't find a way around it and i still have the paperwork and i'm still looking for a way around it.

[jay76]

sounds great slimebo i will be there

[Kersten]

Originally Posted by slimebo

we had meetings with parks and wildlife at rocky and they had all the appropriate legislation printed out and we couldn't find a way around it.because we have non-commercial reptiles there,they are classed as being used as advertising so we couldn't sell any products whatsoever.thats why queensland pet shops aren't allowed to have carpets or any other non-commercial reptiles on display in there shops,because they can bring in customers and money will be made from non commercial snakes.its a bit nuts and confusing but at the end of the day we couldn't find a way around it and i still have the paperwork and i'm still looking for a way around it.

Just to clarify further Sengir, while there is a vague possibility that there's a way around the legislation that was pointed out to Simon we're not keen to go in guns blazing and demand that we be allowed to sell either animals or products at this expo. First and foremost, because the purpose of this expo right from the get go hasn't been to make money (we really only want to cover the cost of running it) but as a way for keepers to meet eachother and for non keepers to have some positive exposure to reptiles. The area we live in is still basically a country town and the prevailing attitude to snakes especially is that the only good one is a dead one, and we find quite often when we do meet people who are interested in keeping snakes or who have them and either want to buy more or meet other people who keep they think there's no one around who does. We'd also like to give keepers an opportunity to show others the animals that they're proud of, and no I'm not just referring to breeders with dozens of animals, we're opening up the stalls to everyone who wants to join in right down to 10 year old kids with their carpet pythons.

If we can get the ball rolling on this for the first go and show QPWS that we're willing to respect their ground rules and are doing it with the best of intentions then we have a better chance of being able to find a way around our problems for the next expo, or the one after. And if we don't find a way around the laws (with their help) then at the end of the day it isn't the end of the world because we're still achieving what we set out to do initially.

[PremierPythons]

All being well, I'll be coming up to display a few species. All being well = pending fiancee's approval lol

[TRIMACO]

I have seen some if the animals that will be on display and I truly recommend coming along for a look. The people who have put this together are the most helpful and generous people who really care about what they are doing. I see it as a great opportunity to get to know other herp lovers and get in contact with local breeder in my general area as I will always local when possible. Ya for Gladstone.

[charlie56]

great going guys even if you can't buy or sell there at least you can get some contacts i will be there with my granddaughter for sure

[slimebo]

Originally Posted by sengir

Hey Slimebo, who is the contact you have been dealing with at QPWS. They CANNOT stop you from selling products at the expo, as the commercial or private sale of belongings are not under the juristiction of QPWS, hence you can sell any products you want in a pet shop but only limited or no reptiles if you dont have a license. I deal a lot with QPWS, and they have no juristiction over selling of personal products, only reptiles as long as the reptiles are clearly marked that they are not for ale and at the opposite end to the reptiles, there shouldnt be a problem. I f they did have juristiction over selling of reptile products then you would need a license to sell reptile products in a shop which you certainly dont. Dont know who your dealing wiht at QPWS but I think thye are taking you for a ride.

Just what I have learnt thru my dealings with the legislation and QPWS.

CHeers

i just thought i would post some of the revelant laws that we have to go by /work around,straight out of the book.

104 MOVING PROTECTED ANIMALS TO DISPLAY AUTHORISED WITH APPROVAL
(1)the holder of a recreational wildlife licence for a protected animal,or a relevent person for the holder,may,without a wildlife permit,move the animal to or from an AUTHORISED DISPLAY if the holder has written approval from the chief executive.
(this is why we require your name,licence number,amount ,and species being bought to the expo so we can pass it on to the EPA.)

127 KEEPING AND USING PARTICULAR ANIMALS AUTHORISED
(1)the holder of a wildlife demonstrators licencefor an animal,or a relevent person for the holder may-
(c)display an animal of a species identified on the licence in a travelling or temporary display.
(2)however,subsection (1)(c) only orthorises the holder or relevant person to display an animal for--
(a)an APPROVED DISPLAY PURPOSE.

An APPROVED DISPLAY PURPOSE,for a display of an animal means any of the following-
(a)to give public information about the acological role of the animal.
(b)to promote education about,and tha conservation of,the animal
(c)to promote an understanding of ecology and the conservation of the animal

AUTHORISED DISPLAY means a show or display that-(a)is not conducted for a COMMERCIAL PURPOSE,and
(b)lasts for not longer than 11 days.

6 MEANING OF COMMERCIAL PURPOSE
(1)a person does an actfor a commercial purpose if the persondoes the act for gain or reward.
(3)also,without limiting subsection (1),a person displays an animal for a COMMERCIAL PURPOSE if-
(a)the animal is displayed in a PUBLIC PLACE in a way another person may reasonably believe it is for sale;or
(b)the animal is displayed in a way that promotes a particular product or service or a business name.
(this is why we cannot sell reptiles or products at the expo)


the authorities we delt with were very helpful and were trying to find ways around it but at the end of the day the rules are in black and white,and until they are changed thats what we have to go by.

[slimebo]

plenty of interest so far and looks like some more "top end of the market" pythons and lizards.still looking for plenty more so book a table for your pride and joys.keep it coming.the more ,the better. only two turtles so far so come on turtle people.
cheers
simon

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[ozianimals]

I would go to an EXPO if you could buy products as thats what an expo is actually supposed to be for, gather new product info and purchase sample products etc.....If I can only dream of what I want why bother travelling to get there when I can look in most reptile mags for a picture of the same product...................Not whinging at the organisers and think it is a great start, but QLD wildlife needs to pull there head out and catch up to the rest of the world.......
How many pet shops or suppliers will close their doors if they can not make a cent by spending money on a spot to add a display. If I had a pet store I would only close my doors and pay for a spot at the expo if I could possibly sell product at the expo and get a little of the lost money back.

IMO We need to find the loop hole or really protest the authorities untill they realise what the rules mean to the people involved not a government department.

I am moving up to QLD very soon slimebo and would love to help if I can....Keep up the good work.

[grimbeny]

I really dont think thats the purpose of a reptile expo ozianimals. All those supplies can bought at a much cheaper price online. The reptile expo is a chance to see other keepers animals and how they keep them.

[ozianimals]

Every expo I have gone to wether it be for machines or animals or food expos even the sex expo is to buy good product at a cheaper price as they usually have a discount at expos as all the competition is right next door also for the providers of these products to see what the competition has and at what price........But then again I have noticed since being here that herpers don't do things normally so an expo might be about showing off your animals, in which case i will not be there I can see my animals at home and can see most other animals on this site through mates or through breeders when you go to pick one out.Just my opinion, Not trying to rock any boats here as I stated would love to be involved and hope we find a loophole as I wanted to go to find some good products that I have looked at elsewhere but would not pay so much for......

[slimebo]

the laws get revised every so often so hopefully within the next few years it will move up inline with the rest of the states.as i have mentioned in previous posts,once the expo is over you can do what you wish..and at least you can get to meet the breeders and see their pythons and if there is something that tickles your fancy you can have a chat afterwards or get emails or phone numbers.
but dont forget the big range of reptiles that will be there.added to the list so far (possibly)gtp's,womas,frillys,assorted geckos and a couple young scrubbies

[slimebo]

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