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21-May-08, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by beeman  Hi Scott,
We use a system that involves mobile racks that house 25 rodent lab tubs to the rack, these racks have a built in heating system in each level to keep them at a constant 24 to 26 dg during the cooler months and a airconditioner in the room to keep the same temp levels during the summer months.each tub houses 2 female rats and they are removed after they have had thier litter weaned and placed in an extra large lab tub with others at the same stage and a male is introduced until the females start to show signs of heavy
pregnancy and they are placed back into the the normal tub to pup. The weaners are placed into another rack system we have been using for quite a long time simular to the one shown in the earlier pics in this post at the rate of 24 rats to the tub. they start as weaners at the top of the rack and as they grow and there is more to wean they are shifted down a level until they have reached the desired size. | Thanks mate,
I'll have to do a google search to research this and get my head around the rotating cycle. Try to look at a plan for a small scale setup.
I will never have as many as you do, this is your Business...Correct, or is it herps and this is a by-product from that? Reason for the question, is obviously you know your stuff.
Again, thanks mate..
Cheers
Scott.
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21-May-08, 08:21 PM
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We have constant litters using this method in both rats and mice,
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21-May-08, 08:24 PM
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I think the idea of the bath tub is that it is easy to scrub out when cleaning!
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21-May-08, 08:24 PM
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Hi Scott,
This is a very necessary evil for us for our collection and it does provide quite a few for the market as well.
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21-May-08, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBredli Actually a female rat cannot be impregnated a week after giving birth. If she doesn't mate during postpartum estrus (which occurs 10-24 hours after giving birth - off the top of my head) then it will be approximately a month before her next cycle. | rats can actualy be mated and store sperm when thay are already pregos , thay go on heat every 4 days , so a rat thats prego will store sperm untill here litters out , this will cause 1 of 2 things , the rat will panic and eat all here young to make room and energy for the litter just forming inside of her , or she will have 1 litter almost winned then lay the next , ive seen it happen done it myself
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21-May-08, 08:41 PM
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thanks beeman i might have to look at soem how keeping a constant temp and see if this would help in more constant litter sizes
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21-May-08, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by thepythonpit rats can actualy be mated and store sperm when thay are already pregos , thay go on heat every 4 days , so a rat thats prego will store sperm untill here litters out , this will cause 1 of 2 things , the rat will panic and eat all here young to make room and energy for the litter just forming inside of her , or she will have 1 litter almost winned then lay the next , ive seen it happen done it myself | If you say so. 
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21-May-08, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by beeman So you are breeding a very limited few then if you have time to play with them.
The point i was making is that you havent seen a proper rodent breeding set up using
rodent lab tubs and to insinuate that we miss treat our animals by using this form of housing
is concerning. Frankly i would rather house and feed in this manner as the rodents dont have
to eat feed out of containers that are in the cages with them after the pee and crap all over it!
It is a system that allows for ease of cleaning and other husbandy requirements | Mine are also fed pellets through wire above them to avoid this. The only time I use a bowl is for things that you cant feed through the wire, like fruits and vegetables every week. Do bulk breeders feed them fruits and veggies every week? Doubt it. A pellet diet isnt a complete diet even if it is manufactured directly for rats and mice, most even say so on the package.
Lab cages are absolutely ridiculous IMO, even the large style rat cages, give them only enough room to move twice their length by about 3-4 times their length.. thats great excersise!  And then it says its suitable for a 1.4 ratio! What a load of bull!
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21-May-08, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBredli If you say so. | yeah , unlike some , i dont goggle any info i dish out , i only speak from first hand experience ,
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21-May-08, 09:17 PM
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Well maybe you should try Google... you might learn a couple of the things i picked up when studying this topic at TAFE!
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21-May-08, 09:17 PM
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How long have you been breeding Rats Vixen? not long i bet.
Just because you treat your rodents like pets, doesnt mean those who dont are doing any harm.
Your rodent keeping standards are just not realistic or logical when farming an animal, for food.
I doubt you (or many people including myself) follow such unrealistic standards for our reptiles.
I mean, you cant tell me you keep pythons in 30ft enclosures.....
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21-May-08, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by thepythonpit yeah , unlike some , i dont goggle any info i dish out , i only speak from first hand experience , | One of my mice has retained sperm too, so I dont why rats couldnt Mr B.
I caught one giving birth while she was still in with the male and two other females, so I moved her (carefully) into her own cage. She is now pregnant again, when supposedly they only come back into heat 12 hours AFTER birth, so she must have retained the sperm
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21-May-08, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Australis How long have you been breeding Rats Vixen? not long i bet.
Just because you treat your rodents like pets, doesnt mean those who dont are doing any harm.
Your rodent keeping standards are just not realistic or logical when farming an animal, for food.
I doubt you (or many people including myself) follow such unrealistic standards for our reptiles.
I mean, you cant tell me you keep pythons in 30ft enclosures..... | Pythons do not need as much physical excersise as a rodent does.. nor the mental stimulation, how can you compare the two.
Keep your rodents how you want Australis, I cant stop you. However I know for a fact whom they would rather looking after them and which housing they would prefer. As ive said before it all comes down to sheer laziness.
Hmm it is much better for the rodents, but nah its just too unrealistic so lets just throw them in little cages and pretend they dont care, its all good  Were human so we dont have to be humane to other animals
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21-May-08, 09:25 PM
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Females cycle 10-24 hours after birth, the following cycle is not for another month or so (not every 4-5 days as it usually would be). So if the female does not conceive during postpartum estrus, it is impossible for the female to fall pregnant for another month - end of story.
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21-May-08, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBredli Females cycle 10-24 hours after birth, the following cycle is not for another month or so (not every 4-5 days as it usually would be). So if the female does not conceive during postpartum estrus, it is impossible for the female to fall pregnant for another month - end of story. | How is mine pregnant again then when she was removed from all other mice WHEN she was giving birth?
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