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03-Sep-07, 01:18 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jul-07 Location: The Sunshine State Age/Gender: 26  | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by BeyondHuman  We went to Thailand in Feb this year... I was not real impressed. We went to the Phuket Zoo, I still had fun, but I felt really sorry for the animals! We have beautiful zoos here in Australia. I got to hold a snake for the first time... now I have one  We also got our photo taken with a tiger... the tiger handler only had one arm and smacked it with his pole to make it look at the camera!  I have photos somewhere but they had heaps of baby crocodiles in one enclosure and the adult enclosures had rotten food in them and any water in enclosures was dirty with rubbish in it! We got to feed baby elephants bananas, but the adult ones were chained up and had to watch the babies being fed. They had a couple of albino snakes just in cages that were far too small for such a big snake! I felt sorry for a lot of the animals, but at the same time I enjoyed their shows and liked seeing new animals. One thing I thought was kind of odd - they had a well type enclosure which was full of cane toads! Anyway I enjoyed myself but I know where I would rather be  Krystal. | I went to Thailand a couple years ago (got engaged on the beach of Phi Phi Island... sigh). The whole time I was there I was thinking the RSPCA would have a field day over there! So many cockfights, stray dogs etc... Wasnt very pleasant. Apart from that Thailand was interesting enough, but I am with you, Krystal, when you say I know where I would rather be!! We are a very lucky country!!
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03-Sep-07, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BeyondHuman We went to Thailand in Feb this year... I was not real impressed. We went to the Phuket Zoo, I still had fun, but I felt really sorry for the animals! We have beautiful zoos here in Australia. I got to hold a snake for the first time... now I have one We also got our photo taken with a tiger... the tiger handler only had one arm and smacked it with his pole to make it look at the camera! I have photos somewhere but they had heaps of baby crocodiles in one enclosure and the adult enclosures had rotten food in them and any water in enclosures was dirty with rubbish in it! We got to feed baby elephants bananas, but the adult ones were chained up and had to watch the babies being fed. They had a couple of albino snakes just in cages that were far too small for such a big snake! I felt sorry for a lot of the animals, but at the same time I enjoyed their shows and liked seeing new animals. One thing I thought was kind of odd - they had a well type enclosure which was full of cane toads! Anyway I enjoyed myself but I know where I would rather be Krystal. | There was an opportunity for me to go to Thailand in the Easter holidays this year. I decided not to go for that very reason. My dad went a few years ago, and brought back footage of people "training" the baby elephants and tigers alike. The baby tigers were beaten with poles, like you said, and the elephants were beaten and stabbed with hooks on poles   |
03-Sep-07, 02:24 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jul-07 Location: Sydney Age/Gender: 21 | | | | Oh i get so angry over animal cruelty!!! In saying that, they obviously have different values of animals to us...not that it makes it any better. I personally would like the power to go over there and free all those animals suffering from poor conditions
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03-Sep-07, 03:22 PM
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03-Sep-07, 03:48 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: May-06 Location: Brisbane Age/Gender: 18  | | | | Hey Jason, yeah i did the tiger temple and it was amazing, they have everything from one month old to full grow adults and they all seem to be in reasonable condition, there was actually a rather fat on there. I went to an island called Koh Samui, which had a pretty cool zoo and aquarium were you can feed sea turtles. the island also has a snake farm but i didn't get a chance to go.
Also was in Bangkok for about a week and went to the Aquarium there and it is amazing, i took almost 3 hours to go through and that was at a relatively quick pace. They even have native Australian fish there which is nice to see. also in bangkok there is a weekend market that sells nearly every kind of pet you can think of and most of them are cheap/ (i.e. 30 cents for a 6-7cm pleco, and $400 for the green tree python)
AS far as the stray dogs etc. didn't see a whole lot but the ones i did see all seemed to be in relatively good health and most of the other animals didn't seemed to malnourished. |
03-Sep-07, 03:53 PM
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03-Oct-07, 09:35 AM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-07 Location: Brisbane | | | thanks for the tips! i will be in sth east asia in a couple weeks.
excited.. but yes.. a little hessitant as i have previously stumbled on terrible zoos in foreign countries before... ended in tears.
but willing to give people the benefit of the doubt.
i must say though... i think you'll find in places that do have sub-standards.. they dont confine these to inside the zoo walls. infact the animals would fare worse in the wild with all the pollution and development, most human live in substandards too. its a hard call. we can only try help them to help themselves.. than just put them down. all people need is education.
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03-Oct-07, 01:01 PM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Mar-05 Location: Sydney | | | | "i must say though... i think you'll find in places that do have sub-standards.. they dont confine these to inside the zoo walls. infact the animals would fare worse in the wild with all the pollution and development, most human live in substandards too. its a hard call. we can only try help them to help themselves.. than just put them down. all people need is education"
Exactly.
It frustrates me when people make all these calls on other countries about sub standards. Obviously its been the first trip overseas you have had. Australia has some of the highest standards in the world for many things, including Animal welfare.
This is not the case in HUNDREDS of countries, not just Thailand or SE Asia. I have been to Thailand a number of tmes and absolutely love it.
The animals who are in the care of people, are very well looked after in comparison to those that arent. This is often the case because they DEPEND on the animals for there livelihood. Go to Phuket or Bangkok and get a photo with an Iguana, there are hundreds of them there and I didnt see 1 that was underweight or looked the slightest bit stressed.
Same goes with the Elephants. The people there rely on them for a living. They raise them and they care for them, and as for the hook on a pole, its more like a stick, you have have no idea how tough elephant skin is.. I was lucky enough to ride one by myself for a while, there amazing, and the 'hook' is used for direction, it doesnt bother the elephant.
My biggest concern is the Snake skin industry. It has taken off thanks to the likes of celebrities caught with python skin bags and shoes, one think you notice over there, snake skin shoes, belts are EVERYWHERE, some even with the Cobra head on the tor of the shoe. That is disturbing. But it is the way of life over there, if we dont like it, don't go.
People need to have more of an open mind I think.. |
03-Oct-07, 01:35 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Sep-07 Location: QLD Age/Gender: 20 | | | I know things are different in every country but you are brought up with particular morals and things in other countries just sometimes don't seem right. You can't help thinking that way. Australia is a wonderful place to live where we have wonderful zoos where animals are well cared for!
My bf's dad goes to Thailand for business a lot and since we like snakes, for some reason he bought a snake skin wallet for himself and my bf!!!  Who knows what he was thinking! But nothing will stop other countries doing things like this when they have an opportunity to make money out of it. Just like the zoos, we will hear about it, be mortified and won't be able to do anything to stop it.
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