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27-Mar-07, 11:46 AM
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hehe, serious post,..my beardies even sleep on a pile of doonas next to my bed. 
and yeah, Loki prefers baths, but i cant always be bothered running one, so he showers with me....he normally sits on teh coffee machine while i cook cos i dont want him to get burnt on the hotplates.
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27-Mar-07, 12:35 PM
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Herp Doc Your right everyone else is wrong, medical journals are never incorrect, everyone else miss understands what they are reading, must have a doctorate over hands on experiance, even if the pass for it was just a pass!!
Medical science once said the human body could not stand speeds over 28mph.
I am not saying you are wrong but dont use the fact that you are a "proffessional" to belittle others.
Us non proffessionals have often been called in when the book learning hasnt helped, and 40 odd years of 24/7 day to day experiance will.
You have made your point those that have a brain will research for themselves, those that want to argue the point wont.
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27-Mar-07, 12:48 PM
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i think you are all still missing the point that this person was worried about it . She didnt ask for the scientific blah blah....... If you are worried just wash your hands end of story if your not worried you should still wash as a matter of hygine but its up to you if you do or not. If a vet ever touched any of my animals without washing their hands i wouldnt let them touch them again. i scrub not just for my wellbeing but the well being of all my animals. remember reptiles only show they are ill after they have been ill for awhile.
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27-Mar-07, 01:20 PM
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Wash your hands after handling ANY animal, use a disinfectant handwash after cleaning up your pet's bodily functions, and NEVER eat vietnamese pork rolls. Last I heard, there are 21 strains of salmonella & only 3 are capable of harming humans. Given what I do for a living, I have a fair grasp of microbiology & communicable diseases, even if I'm NOT a vet. I'm not writing any thesis, but I consider that 30 years of non-stop herp-keeping & breeding gives me a fair idea of what I can expect from my herps. I'm happy though that herpdoc has pointed out that we all know nothing. I'm going to advertise my entire collection, because I now feel SO underqualified to keep them. That explains why I've had a couple die over the years. Obvious because of my lack of knowledge. One was even found with salmonella in it's gut cavity. If I'd had university education I'd have known that, & not wasted my money. And we should ignore TV ads, & common sense advise from our parents. If you get a headache, stick leeches all over your body, & ring a priest to drive out the demons. I'm going now, to ring the TAFE & see if they do arrogance courses. What a joke.
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27-Mar-07, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by raptor  Wash your hands after handling ANY animal, use a disinfectant handwash after cleaning up your pet's bodily functions, and NEVER eat vietnamese pork rolls. Last I heard, there are 21 strains of salmonella & only 3 are capable of harming humans. Given what I do for a living, I have a fair grasp of microbiology & communicable diseases, even if I'm NOT a vet. I'm not writing any thesis, but I consider that 30 years of non-stop herp-keeping & breeding gives me a fair idea of what I can expect from my herps. I'm happy though that herpdoc has pointed out that we all know nothing. I'm going to advertise my entire collection, because I now feel SO underqualified to keep them. That includes the 6 angleheads I bought from Healesville Sanctuary because they couldn't breed them & they kept dying. If I'd had university education I'd have known that, & not wasted my money. And we should ignore TV ads, & common sense advise from our parents. If you get a headache, stick leeches all over your body, & ring a priest to drive out the demons. I'm going now, to ring the TAFE & see if they do arrogance courses. What a joke. | *giggle*
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27-Mar-07, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Inkslinger Herp Doc Your right everyone else is wrong, medical journals are never incorrect, everyone else miss understands what they are reading, must have a doctorate over hands on experiance, even if the pass for it was just a pass!!
Medical science once said the human body could not stand speeds over 28mph.
I am not saying you are wrong but dont use the fact that you are a "proffessional" to belittle others.
Us non proffessionals have often been called in when the book learning hasnt helped, and 40 odd years of 24/7 day to day experiance will.
You have made your point those that have a brain will research for themselves, those that want to argue the point wont. |
too right.
I have so many pieces of paper that say I am edumacated that I am sure I don't need to buy toilet paper for quite a while. And I know nothing. Why? Don't have the experience mate, however I can write you a damn good paper.
Last edited by Kali7; 27-Mar-07 at 01:41 PM.
Reason: a bit harsh.
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27-Mar-07, 01:58 PM
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is this the same vet that claimed that OPMV has never been found in elapids?
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27-Mar-07, 07:38 PM
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There are so many people like Chris1 (I've met hundreds of them personally and wouldn't want to begin to estimate how many thousands are out there). I've worked with animals and microbes in labs and I know very well how much trust you can put in what you get on an agar plate after leaving it overnight in the incubator. Taking all of the information into account, unless I was to accidentally drink turtle urine (who'd have thought it was possible?) I'll be more frightened of being infected by Salmonella given to me by the little green men after I am abducted and being held prisoner in a flying saucer than from one of my animals.
It's quite funny to see someone so sure of themselves because they have a few pieces of paper and some lab experience. Scientific research certainly has a very, very valuable place, but it's extremely important to understand the limitations it has. I'm obviously generalising and stereotyping when I say this, but vets are notoriously inept in this area. It seems that due to the extreme paucity of relevant information they have available to them, they excitedly grasp at whatever they can get hold of and defend it fiercely.
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27-Mar-07, 08:08 PM
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Anyone who has to justify their argument by stating acedemic letters or position needs to get out from behind the desk - there is plenty of vets and MDs out there that are useless - barely better than 1800's peddlers, yet they have obviously studied something to get their letters.
Its true I've never asked anyone keeping herps if they have caught Selmonella, but in 20 years they only person to make a big deal about selmonella and reptiles was a pet shop in Rockingham selling specially reptile handwash gel. I guess all the other herpers I've dealt with including most of the AHS (in the 80s) and most of the WA Herp dealers don't care about the risk enough to mention it - which in the real world means they haven't been affected by it - IE its not a significant risk.
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27-Mar-07, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HerpDoc If you really want I can post the journal titles, most of these studies have been done in the last 2 years or so. | I wouldn't mind having a read since I don't know a great deal about the topic.
Could you post them or can you PM them to me?
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27-Mar-07, 09:21 PM
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You are far more likely to get salmonella from your local sandwich/take away shop i tells ya!
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27-Mar-07, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBredli | hmmm.... I was always taught to wash my hands before dinner not after it |
27-Mar-07, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sdaji . Taking all of the information into account, unless I was to accidentally drink turtle urine (who'd have thought it was possible?) . | mmmm turtle juice - quite nice  |
27-Mar-07, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by olivehydra mmmm turtle juice - quite nice |  im not sure if there will be a big market for that, you never said what it tasted like before, how was it?
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