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17-Jan-04, 08:07 PM
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Are venomoids legal there? It's a pretty hot topic here (pardon the punn), so I was wondering what your view of them is. Most North American hot keepers are totally against the practice and are push for some legislation to illegalize the procedure. Me included. Thanks guys...
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17-Jan-04, 08:16 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Sydney | | | | Let me be the first to say...
"What the...?" :-)
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17-Jan-04, 08:19 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Nov-03 Location: British Columbia, Canada | | | | That makes me glad that you don't know what 'venomoid' is. But it's not really a pleasure to explain that a 'venomoid' snake is a hot that has had it's venom glands removed. Usually this procedure is not performed by a vet, but some dude in his basement type of thing.
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17-Jan-04, 08:20 PM
|  | Old Administrator | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Sydney south, NSW Age/Gender: 54  | | | | Nicole Kevyn is from British Columbia, Canada |
17-Jan-04, 08:23 PM
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Nicole Kevyn is from British Columbia, Canada
| Well actually I'm from Toronto, Ontario. But now I live in British Columbia.
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17-Jan-04, 08:27 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Sydney | | | | Arhhh, I'm glad I didn't know what that was either...
It sounds completely barbaric to me..
Also how is the snake meant to eat when venom is part of the digestion process?
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17-Jan-04, 08:33 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Nov-03 Location: British Columbia, Canada | | | | Well that is the next part of the ongoing debate. There is some recent research that suggests that venom doesn't play a role in digestion. I don't know all the details but I will email a contact I have that is doing alot of venom research right now. The whole idea of venom as part of the digestive process was called into question when it was proven that snake will invenomate more on a defensive strike than a preditory one. Then it was found that when offered prekilled prey, a snake will use little to no venom. So the debate get complicated. I personally agree with you Nicole. I too think it's barbaric. I won't even de-claw my cats. And most other serious keeps agree with that point of view also.
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17-Jan-04, 08:38 PM
| | Old Administrator | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Sydney south, NSW Age/Gender: 54 | | | | Kevyn this things are not happening here in Australia. At least not legaly. Thanks to nature loving people here. |
17-Jan-04, 08:44 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Nov-03 Location: British Columbia, Canada | | | | That's good to hear. Most of the people preforming these types of proceedures here are profit minded and tend to market their animals to inexperienced keepers who are just out to look cool. I had a feeling it was illegal there, you guys just seem a bit more animal friendly than North Americans. We've seem to have interprited that line in the bible about dominion over the earth alittle to litterally.
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17-Jan-04, 08:46 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-03 Location: sydney | | | | Where's the fun and excitement in keeping venomous snakes if they are not venomous, apart from being cruel? |
17-Jan-04, 09:00 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Sydney Age/Gender: 56 | | | | I recall seeing a doco on National Geographic channel about Indian snake charmers that remove the venom glands. They reported that the snakes die after a short period of time (8 weeks?) as they can't digest their food, so that would seem to bear out what Nicole was saying.
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17-Jan-04, 09:02 PM
| | | | If you ask me, you shouldnt keeps hot snakes because they are exciting or so you can look like a cowboy, I was talking to g.gow and he said b4 u buy a venmous snake ask yourself if you would still keep it if it was not venemous, if the answer is no then you shouldnt be keeping venemous snakes. |
17-Jan-04, 09:13 PM
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I recall seeing a doco on National Geographic channel about Indian snake charmers that remove the venom glands. They reported that the snakes die after a short period of time (8 weeks?) as they can't digest their food, so that would seem to bear out what Nicole was saying.
| They were de-fanging their snakes. Most venomoid elapids actually seem to do better than venomoid vipers and pitvipers. This may be due the act of hemotoxic venom as more of a digestive agent. But the research is still only suggestive at this point and is proceeding at a rapid rate. I believe Dr. Brian Fry is doing some very excitting work with venom research right now. He recently discovered three fingered venom in a colubrid. Baritji, that is some right on advice.
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17-Jan-04, 09:20 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Sydney Age/Gender: 56 | | | | Actually, I'm pretty sure they were removing the venom glands, as they showed the small scars where they had been removed. Then again, I could be wrong (it HAS happened!) but that's my recollection of the story. |
17-Jan-04, 09:28 PM
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Actually, I'm pretty sure they were removing the venom glands, as they showed the small scars where they had been removed. Then again, I could be wrong (it HAS happened!) but that's my recollection of the sto
| You could be right. I was thinking of the Snake Wrangler's episode with Snahal Bajht. The charms there were de-fanging there cobras. The early deaths from the de-glanding would most likely be caused from secondary infection. As I said venomoid elapids do rather well when compaired to vipers and pitvipers. Of course they don't do as well as unaltered snakes. Here's a cool link to a recently published paper on the discovery of alpah-colubritoxin in colubrids. http://www.venomdoc.com/downloads/20...lubritoxin.pdf
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