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31-Oct-07, 07:49 PM
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Hey all. I have a mate who lives on a sheep property in Longreach, Queensland. It's about 80, 000 acres and he regularly gets big venomous visitors (namely tigers and King Browns).
His dad killed an eight foot long King Brown  . Amazing!
First of all, I know how APS works so I want to be sure I specificy I don't want this thread to turn into a big crying festival. I know killing snakes is wrong, and illegal, and I should educate people etc etc but the fact is they kill snakes on farms. And they won't stop because I suggested it (yes, I did try, no I'm not a defeatist).
He reckons they kill snakes in this weird way, and I'd like to know if there's any way it could work, not having seen it.
They have a long thick wire, with a handle on it. They swing the wire down onto the snakes back as close as possible to the head, and it breaks the back... Apparently then, while thrashing around, because they can't feel below the break, they bite and envenomate themselves. This kills them.
Thoughts (on this method not on the morality of killing snakes)? |
31-Oct-07, 07:50 PM
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31-Oct-07, 07:51 PM
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[9:34:59] dpeica: if snakes were meant to be held they'd have handles.
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31-Oct-07, 07:52 PM
|  | Sexy Snake Subscriber | Join Date: Jul-07 Location: Cairns Gender: | | | | i dont think snakes can die from their own venome |
31-Oct-07, 07:52 PM
|  | Bendy! Sponsor | Join Date: Feb-07 Location: Brisbane Gender: | | | | G'day mate,
Snakes aren't real bright, and they will regularly bite themselves if they feel pain. The snakes do not die from their own venom (the are immune to it), they die from the barbaric people hitting them with wire.
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31-Oct-07, 07:53 PM
| | Bendy! Sponsor | Join Date: Feb-07 Location: Brisbane Gender: | | | | And yeah, Tigers are a temperate species of elapid, they don't exist anywhere that get's too warm.
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31-Oct-07, 07:54 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Feb-07 Location: Brisbane, Toowong Age/Gender: 20 | | | | Yeah I thought it didn't really sound like it would work.
Can they really be immune to a chemical..?
Can one ven kill another of the same species..? |
31-Oct-07, 07:54 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: Australia Gender: | | | | yeah i thought snakes cant get intoxicated by there own venom/speicies venom?
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31-Oct-07, 07:58 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-07 Location: Beaudesert Age/Gender: 16 | | | | I've always heard that snakes can't kill themselves from biting themselves.
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31-Oct-07, 08:00 PM
|  | Crab Battle Subscriber | Join Date: Jul-06 Location: Penrith/ Sydney Age/Gender: 18 | | | | yea would be kinda stupid if they were able to die from their own venom....
it would most probably die from having a broken spine and not being able to move properly
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31-Oct-07, 08:03 PM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Mar-05 Location: Nowra Age/Gender: 24 | | | | I have heard of people and dogs grabbing a deadly snakes by the tail and doing a whip like crack with the snake which breaks the snakes neck killing it. Do not know how true it is, just stories people have told me. Most likely should have been put in the basket with the storied of venomous snakes interbreeding. People that know so little about snakes think they know so much about them.
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31-Oct-07, 08:08 PM
|  | Subscriber | | | | | Assuming snakes breathing works the same way ours does, if yous friend is breaking the spine high enough to interfere with the brain stem, the snakes might very well be asphyxiating. |
31-Oct-07, 08:15 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Feb-07 Location: Brisbane, Toowong Age/Gender: 20 | | | | Snakes' heads can live for a long time after they've been removed from the body, so I don't think a broken spine would kill it all that fast..
Could a King Brown kill another of the same species?
As for cracking them like whips.. the closest thing I've heard to that is station hands just grabbing them by the tail and swiming them onto concrete or something hard.. |
31-Oct-07, 08:18 PM
| | Bendy! Sponsor | Join Date: Feb-07 Location: Brisbane Gender: | | | | I have seen King Browns severely envenomate Eastern Browns with only localised symptoms in the Easterns. I have seen most species of Australian elapid envenomate themselves with feeding response bites (which would nearly always involve envenomation) and none have shown any ill effects.
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31-Oct-07, 08:31 PM
|  | Roadkill Subscriber | Join Date: Aug-05 Location: Western Sydney Age/Gender: 25 | | | | I have read that occasionally an elapid can die from self envenomation, but only if it bites itself somewhere such as the spine, brain or heart, where the effects of the venom would kill the snake before its system could counter the venom. I'm not sure where i read that, could possibly have been one of Hoser's papers, so take it with a grain of salt.
As for one species being affected by another's venom, that would probably depend on the species involved. However, i do know that Taronga Zoo lost 2 snakes (diff species) due to envenomation by a third species in one of their pits.
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