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24-Apr-06, 10:27 PM
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My husband said the term star gazing just wanted to know what it was in snakes he said it was when they hold there head up at all times. what causes this? or is it true?
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24-Apr-06, 10:29 PM
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It is a neurological (spelling?) disorder.
I have read that it can be caused from a bad mite infestation and other things.
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24-Apr-06, 10:34 PM
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Also called "Inclusion Body Disease".
Causes: Trauma, Viral infections, Bacterial infections, Parasitic infections, Tumors.
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24-Apr-06, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by craig.a.c Also called "Inclusion Body Disease".
Causes: Trauma, Viral infections, Bacterial infections, Parasitic infections, Tumors. | Yeah pretty much what craig said. More of a symptom of IBD but I have seen it in healthy BHP's. Perhaps a natural behaviour which allows the black head to absorb heat whilst still coiled protectively within a hiding spot.
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24-Apr-06, 11:07 PM
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it's very very BAD.not the sort of thing i hope any one ever gets in there collection.
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24-Apr-06, 11:20 PM
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This is the article I found online....... http://www.anapsid.org/ibd.html |
24-Apr-06, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by lunaradius Do certain breeds get it more than others? | I think it would come down to wether or not the snake is healthy and how it is kept. I'm not sure if certain breeds are prone to get it or not.
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24-Apr-06, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lunaradius Do certain breeds get it more than others? | Not an expert by any stretch of your imagination, but from what I remember IBD occurs in elapids, boas and pythons. I think pythons can take longer to show symptoms than boas (or the other way around). Unless progress has been made recently, IBD is always fatal. Some snakes do have a habit of stressing their owners by showing some symptoms, whilst being healthy. It is a fairly recent thing here, but in the states is more common. Perhaps this is true, or perhaps its due to the larger number of herpers in your part of the world, thus more reports??? To my limited knowledge, most if not all cases are diagnosed from necropsy.
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24-Apr-06, 11:31 PM
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Stargazing is not IBD, but may be a symptom. IBD is a specific viral disease. Stargazing may also result from the other conditions mentioned, but a lot of pythons will naturally raise their heads off the ground and remain motionless for some time, apparently "taking in the scenery". This occurs quite often when they are taken from their cages and placed in the warmth of the sun, out on the lawn for example, and is quite normal behaviour.
Stargazing is not something they "get", it's a behaviour that results from from a disease or physical problem.
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24-Apr-06, 11:38 PM
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I also believe it can be a symptom of OPMV as well. Stargazing is different to a snake raising it's head to bask. A snake with it's head up basking will still be alert and if you go near it or wave your hand in front of it, it will react accordingly, however, with stargazing, the animal will not even acknowledge your presence. You can wave your hand in front of them and they will sit there.
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25-Apr-06, 01:07 AM
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Exactly what I was going to say Pythoninfinite with one addition. It can also be caused by thiamin deficiency. Which can be knocked on the proverbial head with a dose of vegemite in the food item's gut cavity. Being that lunaradius isn't from a "Vegemite nelightened country" I'd imagine a local vet could help out with info on thiamin shots (or such) should she ever have the problem. Have had experience with a stargazing jungle python, I was told that thiamin deficiency may be the problem and gave the vegemite a go. It worked in a few days and there's been no repeat in the behaviour or any further symptoms in the afflicted animal.
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25-Apr-06, 03:46 AM
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Here is the other article.... http://www.anapsid.org/stargaze.html
So the star gazing and IBD are totally different or does the IBD show up after the star gazing starts? (sorry a little confused)
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25-Apr-06, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by lunaradius Here is the other article.... http://www.anapsid.org/stargaze.html
So the star gazing and IBD are totally different or does the IBD show up after the star gazing starts? (sorry a little confused) | It may not be IBD. If it is then it is a symptom and thus shows up as a result of IBD and or OPMV. If you go to the galleries section, then personal galleries, Ouzo had some very descriptive photos of IBD stargazing. The snake usually cannot "right" itself and appears as a "neurologically challenged" individual. (from memory the pics were on page two of her album). Hope this helps.
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25-Apr-06, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by olivehydra Quote: |
Originally Posted by lunaradius Here is the other article.... http://www.anapsid.org/stargaze.html
So the star gazing and IBD are totally different or does the IBD show up after the star gazing starts? (sorry a little confused) | It may not be IBD. If it is then it is a symptom and thus shows up as a result of IBD and or OPMV. If you go to the galleries section, then personal galleries, Ouzo had some very descriptive photos of IBD stargazing. The snake usually cannot "right" itself and appears as a "neurologically challenged" individual. (from memory the pics were on page two of her album). Hope this helps. | http://www.aussiepythons.com/index.p...4302&g2_page=2
I found them and it looks like it would be an obvious thing to spot, not at all like just raising its head. 
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25-Apr-06, 10:53 AM
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Does it hurt the snake? it looks a bit painful for them
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