why sell wild caught reptiles??

[major]

I responded to an add in the for sale forum
just wanted to know what ppl thought of my responce?
cheers Brett

[major]

opps forgot to add my reply....

maybe im wrong here so maybe someone will let me know....
This MAle N.Levi was wild caught, yet you say you have to many males.....
3 questions..
first?.. why did you obtain a wild caught levis if you might have had the chance of being over loaded with males??
second?... if he is so rare, why not keep him...since he was wild caught?
third?..why dont you let him go back to the wild where he came from..pay the frieght and let our beautiful wild life live the way they want to live..... wild
cheers Brett
PS. long live Steve.... he protected our WILD life

[nathanbrisvegas]

ok dude

n levis occidentalis are rare in captivity hence the reason someone applied for a collection permit so this beutiful species could be keptincaptivity

sarah may not have known what sexes she was getting sent over she may have got them when they were younger and unsexable

why not send him back ?

because this could be dangerouse to the wild population as it may carry some sort of disease in captive animals that wild animals dont have and plus it is now accustomed to living in captivity so it would be considered cruel to let it go again

and why keep him if he is a surplus ?

seems youcant understand this so i doubt these answers will make any difference :roll:

[nathanbrisvegas]

oh and as for what i thin kof your response i dont think you should have done it in the for sale forum it should have been a seperate thread justlike this there was no need to comment in that thread and it is against forum rules

[kel]

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[kel]

Originally Posted by kel

"maybe im wrong here so maybe someone will let me know"

you are wrong, who are you to dictate who has what or who can sell what,

think its a case of mind your own business

[nathanbrisvegas]

wooohoo go kel exactly what i wanted to say only in a more abrupt and straight forward way

[major]

I will start with saying.. im not having ago at the person who was selling the levis, i am wondering why it was for sale...
i myself am looking at buying some of these wonderful reptiles and im doing all the research i can before i do, which is why i asked the questions.
I did reliese where i posted my response which is why i posted it in chit chat aswell, i do get on here as much as i can but havent been on in afew weeks and have noticed afew changes so if a mod can delete my response from the for sale forum it would be good.
thank you for answering some of my questions like the one about releasing him back to the wild. May i ask the question then, why sell the wild caught levis and not the breed one?

[jordo]

Simple... if you aren't happy with the animal and its background then don't buy it that way you can support what you stand for by not getting involved with it and other people can buy it if they want it.
As has been said it is bad for the animal to be released as it may be acustomed (sp?) to captivity and the wild population may be effected by its re-introduction, it is probably fitter than a lot of other geckos and could kick them out of their territory as it has been well cared for and has more strength and fat reserves. Isn't it illegal to re-introduce captives to the wild anyway??

I think it is being sold because Sarah has surplus males to breed with.

Well thats my 2cents.

[nathanbrisvegas]

reason why sell it not breed it wel it is surplus that means that it is an extra just incase you didnt get that one

[PremierPythons]

major - i wonder where the breeding line of your so-called 'captive bred' animals came from in the first place?

[Rastass]

Taking from the wild does not necessarily affect wild populations. A piece of native ground has a capacity to support a certain number of animals. Normally, the surviving animals will breed and have a number of offspring, most of which will not survive. By removing an animal from an area your are possibly creating an avenue for one other animal to take its place. In effect, you have increased to number of animals by 1. One strong example of this is male eastern water dragons.

Its funny, when we rescue venemous snakes we are taught and tell our "customers" that by removing the snake another will merely takes it place. And yet, when we remove herps to keep them this seems to be a different story.

Aborigines have been removing native herps for years. Not for pets but to eat. They dont seem to have decimated any populations.

Another example of taking from the wild is the prawn fisherman of the Spencer Gulf in SA. They take huge numbers of prawns from the Spencer Gulf and yet their populations are being maintained.

As for re-releasing. When I did my Sydney Wildlife course we were told of a frog that was released back into a population in Tully. It didn't originally come from Tully. It carried a disease and wiped out a huge number of local frogs. If were are not certain as to the origin of a rescued herp we are not allowed to release it back into the wild. And certainly not if it has come into contact with captive herps. Go OPMV.

[clarkey]

Major,
Seeing how you are doing research on these before you get some (which I might ad is a very good idea) I will explain a couple of things. The subspecies of levis that Sarah was selling only originate in WA. Up until 18 months or so ago WA had no licensing system therefore no legally held reptiles. When they brought in a licensing system they allowed a certain number (less than 20) collector licenses to collect reptiles for the hobby. These reptiles are to be used to build up collections in WA and also the rest of the country because many of WA's reptiles are very different to the rest of the country, these levis being one. So the first of WA's species being available (which Sarah's was one) are only wild caught. In the next couple of years numbers will be at a sufficient level and they will not need to take animals from the wild. WA though in their licensing system for herps (as well as many other animals) prohibite the import of animals from the Eastern states into WA, this is done to try and stop diseases being brought into the state. I think previous posts on this thread also show the dangers of releasing an animal that appears healthy back into the wild.

[Zeus_the_beardie]

isnt it illegal to take wild caught reptiles and than sell them (or even keep anything wild i thought was illegal)

just a question, dont get angry.
i might just get a little ticked off

[Mayo]

In WA it was legal for a while.