DECC minimum enclosure size discussion.

[abbott75]

Side thread to the Womas on Class 1 thread.

There is talk of DECC enforcing minimum enclosure sizes, which are likely a lot larger than we currently keep our animals in.

Opinions anyone?

[NotoriouS]

It would be a lot harder to 'enforce' in my opinion. They only way would be regular spot checks - don't know if they have the capacity for it. But then again, it would only be a good thing I guess. I have visited breeders who were keeping many reptiles in tiny enclosures so if this can be enforced it would definitely benefit the animals. Just hope they don't set riduculous requirements though (e.g. minimum 8 ft tank for spotteds )

[beefa270]

Could be a good thing, but near impossible to enforce

[Duke]

They seem to be pretty serious about it. NPWS has employed another three people specifically for the spot checks, and they know what they're doing.

[wokka]

what sizes do you consider reasonable ?

[taylor111]

how big are we talking?

[abbott75]

I don't it will be good at all. There is no possible way I could keep all my animals if Antaresia had a minimum 4x2x2.

I don't neglect any of my animals, but I do keep them in a tub/rack system, which will probably be outlawed if these moves go ahead.

[Oldbeard]

Its so typical of them to enforce another law onto us, when they have probably never kept a reptile in their lives...Let me guess ...a captive reptile needs enough room in his cage to exercise and run around and take the kiddies out to play football....
Seriously though, how big are we talking???

[JasonL]

The larger sizes also brings up the subject of heating, try keeping a good ambient in an enclosure with a 4 or 6 square meter floor space. Is raising the the enclosure sizes good for the animal? or just public perception?

[Angharat]

Is there anywhere that the proposed minimum sizes can be found?

I haven't been able to find anything after a quick look at the DEC website.

[abbott75]

From the Woma thread:

The only thing as keepers we have to be worried of is minimum size enclosures eg 4ftx2fx2ft for each stimson's and this is going to be legally inforced.

[Hetty]

The size thing is silly. Even if you let the snake have all the room it wants (by means of escaping lol) then it will find the snuggest place it can.

It might be intended for the benefit of the animal but we keepers know it isn't. I don't think the changes will go ahead though, there's too much opposition from keepers.

[JasonL]

Is there anywhere that the proposed minimum sizes can be found?

I haven't been able to find anything after a quick look at the DEC website.

They have not been officially decided on yet, so havn't been published, there has been draft knocked up, but these arn't for public veiwing as yet as there are numerous matters that need ironing out.

[swaddo]

Is there anywhere that the proposed minimum sizes can be found? I haven't been able to find anything after a quick look at the DEC website.

i rang them about it this morning and the woman on the end of the phone knew nothing about it. guess we'll have to wait a while yet

[snakehandler]

We gave our 4m olives a large enclosure, it meets the Victorian guidelines for keeping reptiles in captivity for length but not height and width, they would want an enclosure 1.8m long x1.0m high x 1.5m wide , we find all three in the smallest area that they can find, however they do use the space occasionally, the enclosure is 2.4 metres x 0.6mx0.6m......to ask for such dimensions is ridiculous.

http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/dpi/nreninf.nsf/93a98744f6ec41bd4a256c8e00013aa9/1f4999def151cfd4ca256f0f001b052b/$FILE/AG1134.pdf
That is the link to the document in current use for VIC.