ID

[snakeynewbie]

thanks

[Bluetongue1]

could it be hoplocephalus bungaroides?

Google some pics for that and you will see why not.

[snakelady-viper]

King snake looks like a bird drop with all the puncture marks or maybe a cat.

Stephens Banded snake very beautiful have attached pics of one

[jase75]

Definitely an exotic, looks like a King Snake.

[Rattler]

Was that the thong you smacked it with?

it was dead already. thong for reference lol

what suburb was this in? let me guess western subrurbs? looks like some bogans pet they love exotics

Lidcombe, a few chinese and korean live around here.

[JasonL]

There are hundreds of them being bred around Sydney, and thousands of Corn snakes, everything is here and being bred in large numbers... exotic "rescues" if you want to call them that are very common and have been for a few years now.

could they ever establish in our wild?

wouldn't be the first exotic to take hold in a foreign land...

[$NaKe PiMp]

speaking of stephens bandeds, sometimes they have no banding,


anyway another ID thread gone the typical APS route

step 1. post pics of creature

step 2 have at least a couple people who have no idea try and id it by guesswork

step 3. someone quietly ids it correctly but is ignored for at least another page by the people guessing.

step 4. fight club starts when someone pops in and quote posts the people who are guessing that they are retarded

step 5 another poster correctly id,s

step 6 people who where guessing defend there earlier posts ( im just learning,go easy on me etc)and argue with the fightclub people of authority

step 6 someone else pops in a post and agrees on the correct id

step 7 few more posts agreing on corect id

step 8 debate on what other snakes look like the snake in question but are not the snake

step 9 people in step 8 told that the snakes they mentioned look nothing like the snake in ID pic

step 10, much click liking of posts goes on,especialy of senior memebers contributing posts

[Rattler]

lol

[Pufferfish]

Spot on Snakepimp.
I don't think most exotics could cope with our ecosystem, too many variables that lead to death for them, although you never know.
JasonL is telling the truth, people have come up with the notion that Corn Snakes and other common exotics have been able to make their own wild breeding population in and around Sydney, that is BS it's just that there is so many captive ones escaping.

[Fuscus]

Side by side they are easy to differentiate - OP should report it

California King Snake


Stephan's Banded


Bandy Bandy

... although you never know.

although you never know

JasonL is telling the truth, people have come up with the notion that Corn Snakes and other common exotics have been able to make their own wild breeding population in and around Sydney, that is BS it's just that there is so many captive ones escaping.

But now you DO know?

[Bluetongue1]

haha how could anyone think thats a bandy bandy?? *facepalm*...

I had intended to let this go. However your “typical ID thread” scenario bore so little resemblance to the reality of this thread, it made me wonder why you were posting. Hence, I am compelled to ask, why you feel the need to make statements like the above? If you have the knowledge and you want people to realise that, why not put it to good use instead of just slagging somebody off. For example, it would have been the perfect opportunity to explain what a loreal scale is and its significance and use in ID. That way people can start making correct IDs when they can see the relevant scales on a of a roughie or keelback photo. Or they can pick the difference between a whip snake shed from that of a green tree. Or mum knows whether to keep the dog inside and warn the kids when she finds a fresh snake shed in the garden. There is any number of situations where it might come in handy. I can assure you that it would be appreciated by a much wider audience than just your mates.

Maybe I should have made it clear I wasn't suggesting that’s what this is, but that to those who are not familiar with snakes, they may be mistaken.

I was aware of that. I was only trying to support what you said by pointing out how to readily distinguish them, as I figure that my help reduce likelihood of those not so familiar clobbering a Stephen’s Banded thinking it is an exotic.

...I don't think most exotics could cope with our ecosystem, too many variables that lead to death for them, although you never know....

Didn’t they say that about the Cane Toad before they released them for the sixth time? I recommend you do a little research on Californian King Snakes before making comments such as that. They are capable of occupying habitats from marshes to deserts, from grasslands through to forest, and it generalist feeder, taking anything from invertebrates to frogs, lizards, snakes and birds to small mammals. Exotics often lack specific predators present in their place of origin and captives mostly lacking the pathogens or their vectors and the parasites which all help to keep their populations in check on their home turf

When you have a highly adaptable, generalist species kept in high numbers in a specific region and regularly escaping or being released, you are well and truly into the high risk category for establishment and spread of that exotic.

Rattler, you really should let the relevant authorities know about it. A bit of a pain but important.

Blue

[Pufferfish]

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[43nickw]

i saw one of theese last year when buying a bhp. the guy had two of them and a side winder, i really think it is a kingsnake. being a farmer have seen tones of bandy bandy snakes is not one of them.

[snakeynewbie]

As a teeny image on an iphone very easy to mistake for a bandy bandy when all you can see is a snake with black and white stripes. Once able to view as a larger image it's very clear it has a broader head(although not as broad as a stephens) and the characteristic white dot and white under the chin.

[waruikazi]

I had intended to let this go. However your “typical ID thread” scenario bore so little resemblance to the reality of this thread, it made me wonder why you were posting. Hence, I am compelled to ask, why you feel the need to make statements like the above? If you have the knowledge and you want people to realise that, why not put it to good use instead of just slagging somebody off. For example, it would have been the perfect opportunity to explain what a loreal scale is and its significance and use in ID. That way people can start making correct IDs when they can see the relevant scales on a of a roughie or keelback photo. Or they can pick the difference between a whip snake shed from that of a green tree. Or mum knows whether to keep the dog inside and warn the kids when she finds a fresh snake shed in the garden. There is any number of situations where it might come in handy. I can assure you that it would be appreciated by a much wider audience than just your mates.

Blue

Blue the point of that post and the others similar are to discourage those who don't have a clue posting and wild guesses. Neither of which, imo, are ok in ID threads.

The idea of giving people who have no clue information on how to key a snake out it just about pointless. Especially in the cases of differentiating an elapid from a colubrid, if you need to look for the loreal scale to tell the difference then you shouldn't be doing an ID.