Woma's still restricted for more then 2?

**jham66** · 08-Jun-11, 09:55 PM

Thanks Russ2, though, I still find that difficult to understand..... by the letter of the law, I am only allowed to keep two registered dogs... but I can breed those dogs as long as I sell or give those puppies away within a reasonable time frame.

Is your information from logical thinking or from DERM legislation?

**Russ2** · 09-Jun-11, 09:05 AM

Don't know if it is legislation but this is what I was told a few years back by DERM.
If your 2 restricted animals were to breed "by accident", say you had a cage malfunction and had to house them together for a short time then they may allow you to pass on the offspring, within a limited time frame.
But if DERM were to pay you a visit and find them matched for breeding or if your enclosures regularly malfunctioned during matting season ie. more than once then it would be looked upon very dimly.
I don't believe there is any hard and fast rule more that each case is is judged on it's individual merits.

I don't necessarily agree or understand there line of thinking but after 2 days on the phone with DERM I just paid the money to keep unlimited Woma's and GTP.

Sorry if this doesn't help but its just the way it is.

**jham66** · 09-Jun-11, 11:22 AM

Ok, thanks.

Doesn't seem odd that they would restrict the number you could keep because of their status in the wild and then not allow you to increase the captive population? which is the reason I asked if it was by logical reasoning or DERM regulation.... often not one and the same..

**trogdor1988** · 09-Jun-11, 04:54 PM

agreed

**Mayo** · 09-Jun-11, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by jham66

So..... If you are allowed to keep two Woma or Two GTP and you breed your pair of same, what happens when you end up with 16 hatchy Woma or GTP?

Assuming the intention of the breeding was to sell them, not to keep the offspring, is there a time frame to move them on? or are you not allowed to breed the pair??

Technically you are not allowed to breed them. That aside you can ask for a letter stating it was an accident and they may at there discretion grant you a letter allowing you to sell the animals.

**stockhorse** · 09-Jun-11, 10:59 PM

Part of the thinking is to stop captive breding that may cross locales.Although I don't think it will work they are trying to stop "designer" Womas overtaking "natural"Womas in numbers thus trying to keep some "pure" lines.

**Kitarsha** · 14-Apr-12, 08:01 PM

The woma doesn't appear to be listed as restricted anymore? or am i looking at the wrong spot... http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/register/p01389aa.pdf They really need to go thru their site and make it more user friendly!

**IsaHerpLvrs** · 29-May-12, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Kitarsha

The woma doesn't appear to be listed as restricted anymore? or am i looking at the wrong spot... http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/register/p01389aa.pdf They really need to go thru their site and make it more user friendly!

Correct the site doesnt state that the Woma is restricted but i just got of the phone to them to double check and the woma is a restricted reptile,so i have asked them if they could maybe update there site so ppl are actually better informed,she also told me to upgrade the license its as simple as sending them an email to ammend it and they will call u to ask for credit card details to pay the fee and its that simple.......no mention of doing a course or anything about needing references.....

**notechistiger** · 29-May-12, 01:50 PM

All you need to do for any kind of reptile licencing right now is send an e-mail or make a call with your credit card details and it will be amended. I'm certainly of the opinion they don't give a rats *** at all and I think I can say that whether you have multiple restricted pythons on your rec licence or not, they'll care little.

**IsaHerpLvrs** · 29-May-12, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by notechistiger

All you need to do for any kind of reptile licencing right now is send an e-mail or make a call with your credit card details and it will be amended. I'm certainly of the opinion they don't give a rats *** at all and I think I can say that whether you have multiple restricted pythons on your rec licence or not, they'll care little.

Couldnt agree more,as will most government agencies as long as there getting money there happy..

**Waterrat** · 29-May-12, 02:39 PM

As it seems, no one here knows exactly what the score is and even if they did, it's a heresy. Why don't you write a letter (no email) addressed to the person in charge of recreational licensing, spell out very clearly what you want to know and wait for a reply. It may take a while but whatever they write to you will be on a piece of paper and signed. You then have an official document in your hand which is far more that any advice on APS.

**Poggle** · 29-May-12, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Waterrat

As it seems, no one here knows exactly what the score is and even if they did, it's a heresy. Why don't you write a letter (no email) addressed to the person in charge of recreational licensing, spell out very clearly what you want to know and wait for a reply. It may take a while but whatever they write to you will be on a piece of paper and signed. You then have an official document in your hand which is far more that any advice on APS.

safest option mate.... last thing you want is to be fined

**citrus** · 29-May-12, 03:05 PM

http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/register/p01021aa.doc

Its not that hard to understand.....

I also want to keep more than two (2) restricted reptiles and amphibians* (note: additional fee required – refer schedule of fees).

Note that if your application is for restricted
reptiles and amphibians, but does not include any venomous snakes, you do not
need to provide any further evidence of experience

So tick the box, pay the extra cash and you can keep unlimited numbers of gtps and womas

**Kitarsha** · 29-May-12, 05:28 PM

I called DERM a few weeks ago and asked the question - on a standard rec licence Womas/GTPs are limited to a max of 2. They did have to ask around tho to double check - but that's all good

Apparently with the new Govt etc there may be some changes to the various licences and restrictions that go with them - so that could be interesting

**Waterrat** · 29-May-12, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Kitarsha

I called DERM a few weeks ago and asked the question - on a standard rec licence Womas/GTPs are limited to a max of 2. They did have to ask around tho to double check - but that's all good

Apparently with the new Govt etc there may be some changes to the various licences and restrictions that go with them - so that could be interesting

and that's why suggested writing a letter. Phone calls are usually answered by junior staff or the cleaning lady. A letter will go to the head of the licensing section and you should expect a solid answer.