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21-Mar-08, 08:14 AM
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G'day, just got a question about one of my small dragons. Its not as active as the others, still eats(not as much as the others) and still poops. It also seems to be darker when resting than the others. Also have a small lump in the rear of its body, quite similar to when a snake has a good feed. Any idea's?
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21-Mar-08, 08:33 AM
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ive seen a older dragon with lumps....told this was arthritis forming,by a vet
at the same time....not enough calcium would not let the bones form properly or could be
fatty tissue?
animals are not standard issue...nothing is....maybe his needs are different..
his intake needed may be greater than the others....supplements etc
or maybe his body isnt excepting the calcium in the first place?
ide separate....to different habitat...hospital tank...
if you can use a heat mat at night to increase his temp so doesnt go under 23 at night or cool end during the day....head height under basking light same as others 38*
this way he still gets a 10* difference at night... but is warm enough to offer food as much as possible
warm sun twice a day..would help
other than that your probably fighting a up hill battle.....vet
recently i lost a battler too!..........in long run ,will it be strong enough to live a healthy life? 
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21-Mar-08, 08:36 AM
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They already live separatly, hes eating and pooing so i see no reason why he wont make it but just would like to find out what the lump could be, no real point taking to a vet, at its size all you can do it look anyway.
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21-Mar-08, 08:54 AM
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dont think your going to find out what the lump is till you take it to a vet!
not for certain anyway....
good luck hornet.... i do understand what you are saying about size
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21-Mar-08, 09:38 AM
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If the lump is on the hip area, it is probably a calcium / MBD issue.
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21-Mar-08, 09:51 AM
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Hey Jason..... arthritis human form...would that be MBD reptile form?
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21-Mar-08, 10:05 AM
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I had exactly this problem with a couple of clutches of longirostris last season. Several of the neonates developed lumps on their backs. In every case the animal eventually died. I spoke to several contacts about it and determined that the animals were suffering a calcium related disorder called MBD. (Metabolic Bone Disorder). There was also splaying of the rear legs evident similar to but not necessarily Hind Leg Paralysis. Do you see any of this symptom with your animals.
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21-Mar-08, 10:11 AM
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If you're not already doing this...take him out in the warm sunshine (not hot) maybe he needs a dose of the good old natural uvb. It won't hurt anyway.
Good Luck with him
Sandee 
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21-Mar-08, 10:18 AM
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Im not good with the technical terms..... so Human Arthritis is Reptile MBD?
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21-Mar-08, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dragon lady  Hey Jason..... arthritis human form...would that be MBD reptile form? | Both are blanket terms to cover many different ailments of similar outcomes. Arthritis has around 100 forms, most but not all have to do with bones and joints, the forms that do, effects the patient in a similar way to MBD, though I wouldn't call MBD, reptile arthritis myself.
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21-Mar-08, 10:39 AM
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Dragons are prone to MBD problems, you need to balance the food with heat, too much heat and not enough food will lead to certain bone problems in fast growing dragons. Some of the nervous species of dragon will have increased chances of problems if they arn't eating well due to stress, enclosure size / set-up ect. I found when keeping C. cristatus that they needed a much larger enclosure than you would think from their body size, and the lighting and heating had to be perfect for them to thrive, change one thing on them to their dislike, and they stopped eating, yet due to their need of high heat, their metabolism doesn't.
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21-Mar-08, 10:54 AM
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Hornet, what species are you concerned with?
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Various Geckos, Pygopods, Dragons, Frogs and Sugar Gliders.
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21-Mar-08, 10:59 AM
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you know which one mate 
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21-Mar-08, 11:31 AM
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Thaks Jason...that helped
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22-Mar-08, 01:28 PM
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Well put Jason. I too have had to put C. cristatus into much larger accommodation then you would normally for a dragon of its size. Since doing so I have been able to reduce their mortality rate in my collection to zero. Prior to that I was having lots of problems. They definately need space. From my experience you are correct in your assumption also that the more nervous or skittish species tend to be the ones that develope the disorders like MBD, Hind Leg Paralysis and loss of appetite although these problems manifest themselves across most species if conditions are not right. I have had these problems with L. longirostris and also C. isolepsis in the last 12 months both of which tend to be nervous species. I would agree with an earlier suggestion that the animals be exposed to natural sunlight for as long as possible over as many days as possible to ensure that any other neonates do not develope the same problem. I did this and was able to stop any further animals from getting the problem. In my case last year when I had this problem I increased light, heat and calcium, which in combination stopped the disorder from spreading to any further youngsters. Unfortunately all animals that were afflicted with the problem ultimately died.
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