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26-Jun-07, 10:04 PM
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Is Morelia variegata classified as a sub species of carpet python? If not what is it?
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26-Jun-07, 10:18 PM
|  | UNINFRACTABLE Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-05 Location: Hamilton island, QLD Age/Gender: 28 | | | Yes, it is and from what i understand "Variegata" as, this includes "cheynei, metcalfei and mcdowelli" in the same sub species.
But no doubt someone will probably dissagree 
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26-Jun-07, 10:19 PM
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26-Jun-07, 10:24 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-05 Location: Sydney Age: 43 | | | | yeah sorry donks, not same sub-species but same species being Morelia spilota. We have a number of sub species of Morelia Spilota. M s Variegata being one of them.
Of course, many years about (about 15 I guess) All carpet pythons except Diamonds and Imbricata were M s Variegata. Since then they have been further reclassified to come up with Jungles, Darwins, Coastals and Murray Darlings. We also have a new speciees being Morelia Bredli. this snake used to be m s Variegata but because it has more than 9 (i think) scales between the eyes mr Bredl manage dto have it reclassified as a new species instead of a sub species.
So.... there is no Morelia Variegata, only Morelia Spilota Variegata.
Now, apparently, in Victoria, the govt hasn;t actually learned about the new sub species and they only recognise all carpets as M s variegata. Go figure.
And sorry, 10.30pm is not my best time to respond to these threads
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26-Jun-07, 10:29 PM
|  | Yes, that Hix Moderator | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Sydney | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by da_donkey  Yes, it is and from what i understand "Variegata" as, this includes "cheynei, metcalfei and mcdowelli" in the same sub species.
But no doubt someone will probably dissagree |
I'm gonna disagree with ya Donk. Morelia variegata is not a valid name. Morelia spilota variegata is the correct name for the subspecies known as the northwest Carpet (or Darwin Carpet). M.s.cheynei, M.s.metcalfei and M.s.mcdowelli are all valid subspecies, just like M.s.spilota.
There was a time when there was only the two subspecies, M.s.spilota - the Diamond python - and everything else was M.s.variegata. Then Wells and Wellington created the new subspecies in 1984 (although they listed them as full species). 
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26-Jun-07, 10:37 PM
| | UNINFRACTABLE Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-05 Location: Hamilton island, QLD Age/Gender: 28 | | | Ok PJ here we go it is to late for this i thought the DNA testing went like this; Morelia spilota imbricata- South West Carpet Python Morelia spilota spilota - Diamond Python Morelia spilota bredli - Bredl's Python Morelia spilota variegata - which included cheynei, metcalfei and mcdowelli
Is this out dated PJ, dna cant lie can it?
donk
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26-Jun-07, 10:38 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-05 Location: Sydney Age: 43 | | | | what about m.s. Imbricata??? I seem to remember that as a sub species back in my day. will need to get my old Cogger out.
and Hi Hix. You are still too sober.
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Last edited by peterjohnson64; 26-Jun-07 at 10:38 PM.
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26-Jun-07, 10:45 PM
| | Yes, that Hix Moderator | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Sydney | | | Donk,
the DNA testing (which I don't believe has been published yet) resulted in the following. Morelia imbricata - SW Carpet Morelia bredli - Central Carpet Morelia spilota - Carpet Python (including all the remaining subspecies)
And it's possible that Chondropython will be resurrected and will include viridis and carinata.
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26-Jun-07, 10:49 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-05 Location: Sydney Age: 43 | | | well that matches the current status anyway - with all the sub species of Morelia Spilota being the same DNA (as you would expect).
But yes mate, according to Cogger v5 (198  Imbricata was still M s imbricata back then. (cant do italics - how do you do that)
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26-Jun-07, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Hix Donk,
the DNA testing (which I don't believe has been published yet) resulted in the following. Morelia imbricata - SW Carpet Morelia bredli - Central Carpet Morelia spilota - Carpet Python (including all the remaining subspecies)
And it's possible that Chondropython will be resurrected and will include viridis and carinata.
Hix | Ok so we drop Variegata all together, and throw Spilota sp. in with cheynei, metcalfei and mcdowelli
Does that sound right? ( my brain smells like burning)
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26-Jun-07, 10:58 PM
| | Yes, that Hix Moderator | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Sydney | | | Actually, what the DNA says is that the is NO M.s.spilota, no variegata, no cheynei etc.
They are all Morelia spilota, there are no subspecies. (Like what Victoria does)
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26-Jun-07, 10:58 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-05 Location: Sydney Age: 43 | | | | Yep, but Diamonds (being m.s. spilota) are also there
But I still reckon this a vic licensing question
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26-Jun-07, 10:59 PM
| | UNINFRACTABLE Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-05 Location: Hamilton island, QLD Age/Gender: 28 | | | Oh and PJ, buggered if i know how to use italics  donk
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26-Jun-07, 11:09 PM
| | Yes, that Hix Moderator | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Sydney | | | Pete,
The DNA says there is no Morelia spilota spilota.
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26-Jun-07, 11:10 PM
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