What would you do or say it is

[Auzlizardking]

This is what is confusing me - I also must add this hatchie is half the size of my Port macs and it is older then them.

[Auzlizardking]

It's on pickie mice now - what's lift sinks?

[cockney red]

After two days under heat digesting, the hard work is done. It would not regurgitate at this late stage.Vet!

Originally Posted by Cheyne_Jones

Could it be struggling to digest the size of food it is taking and therefore regurging so it doesnt cause internal problems? Maybe try a smaller prey item?

[Jozz]

I had a tiger snake that started regurgitating it's feeds (about 2 days after feeding), then stopped feeding. About 1-2 months later, the area around it's heart swelled up like a balloon, and the next night it died. When he was cut open, there was a huge, tubular shaped growth on the head side of his heart. The pics have been sent to someone for further diagnosis to see what the growth was (cancerous tumour maybe?). That was my experience.

[Simple]

Has it defecated? If the digestive system is deformed or under developed the instinct to eat is there but it might not be able to pass it through, hence the regurgitation. We had a similar problem with a slightly under developed hatchling that left the egg. A vet check is probably they way to go.

[spilota_variegata]

You're keeping it at good temps, feeding it meals that are not too large, providing it with hiding spots and trying not to handle it unnecessarily. Sounds to me that you're doing all the right things. Sorry if you've already stated this but have you contacted the previous owner to ask if this problem was evident prior to your purchase? I hope it's not a congenital condition - one that most likely can only be diagnosed by an expert. Noone on this site will be able to give you an informed decision without the right tests. Bringing up his meals may have serious consequences in itself. One more thing, are you feeding all the snakes with the same food? I had a problem a long time ago with contaminated food.

I hope the little fellow pulls through. I wouldn't wish the death of an animal on anyone.

[FNQ_Snake]

If it is a recent addition, how long have you had it for? It might be able to smell the other hatchies and could be getting stressed from that. It could also still be getting over being stressed from the relocation. Hope everything turns out OK. Maybe isolation until you find the cause might be an idea?

[cockney red]

As Spilota said, the consequences of a hatchling regurgitating, can be dire in itself. Vet asap.

[Helikaon]

Originally Posted by cockney red

As Spilota said, the consequences of a hatchling regurgitating, can be dire in itself. Vet asap.

isn't it amazing how often you have to repeat something until you get heard



......could i also recommend a visit to your vet.

[Auzlizardking]

Originally Posted by Helikaon

isn't it amazing how often you have to repeat something until you get heard



......could i also recommend a visit to your vet.

I heard that part at the start
Monday It's down to the vet

[spilota_variegata]

Great move and good luck.

[Helikaon]

Originally Posted by Auzlizardking

I heard that part at the start
Monday It's down to the vet

yeah i know its unfortunate, but it is the best action to take. its one thing to get advice off a forum but trying for a diagnosis is not a smart idea. when a vet gets a look at it and does a faecal smear they may be able to offer you an explanation and a treatment. when you think about the medical side you must always remember that it could be anything and without proper testing you may not find the cure. just think of it, the little guy may have a parasite problem, being worms or protazoans, he might have an internal infection, he might have a genetic fault, or he might just be stressed.. there are so many possibilities. but i wish you luck as i hope he comes out good for you.

[Auzlizardking]

Thank for all your help

[Pythoninfinite]

Helikaon is correct - this is the wrong place to seek advice in the first instance. You will receive a heap of conflicting information from many people who have no experience and little idea of what they are talking about.
First resort should always be back to the breeder, any reliable breeder will do whatever they can to help resolve any issues you may have with their animals.

Hatchies are usually tough and resilient (especially coastals) so the issue is either a husbandry (management) one, or a health related one. In my experience once hatchie carpets are established they are usually bulletproof, the thing that fouls them up is poor mangement, and this is temperature related more often than not. Can the snake escape the 31C heat zone? If it has no retreat to a cooler area, I would expect regurgitation at about 2 days, the time it takes the food to rot in its gut. If that's not the problem, then it may have to do with the quality of food - is it fresh, how do you thaw it out and for how long? It is not true that the process is over in 2 days (as a correspondent mentioned here) - the digestion and absorbtion of food takes far longer than that, and has a significant effect on the snakes metabolism for at least 2 weeks. Just because the bump has gone doesn't mean the process is over.

You may want to try a more appropriately sized food item - most hatchling carpets prefer good sized fuzzie mice (pinks are generally too small, and I have started my carpets on fuzzies for years - they manage them easily, about 1 every 5-7 days...)

If it is a health issue with the snake, then a vet visit is appropriate. But you should remain in contact with the breeder at this time - if it is a health issue he/she will no doubt want be kept informed, and it may be important that they are. Reliable breeders have a great deal invested in producing strong, healthy babies, and will consider it important to resolve the issues you have raised here.

Jamie.

[Jungle_Freak]

A Constant 31c temp will help digest food item faster and would not cause regurgitation,
31c is a good temp for optimal growth,
but a cooler temp is also requirred in the inclosure .

31c is a good temp for optimal growth after all what temps do we all use to incubate python eggs at ? 31 c .
So yes this temp provides safe cell development ,
but may not be high enough for some meals ? ie " LARGE" , to be digested properly in pythons ,
who ever thinks otherwise is very mistaken,
regurging a non digested food item after 2 days proves that digestion is not working at correct temps, ie to cool ,
but at 31 c food items should be digesting fine,
i dont think 31c is the cause of reguritation,



The ideal temps for python hatchlings or adults would be a cool end of 26c and a warm end 33 c to warm up and cool down.
this temp gradient provides the correct temps to maintain good health ,
i suspect the hatchling in question has a tummy bug possibly needing treatment with flagyl,
but this drug is highly toxic and should only be given by vets,
and dosing hatchlings is very tricky ,
so go to vet asap,


Roger