Please Explain Mr Stone

[PilbaraPythons]

As I know Doc Rock is a member of this site, I hereby challenge Simon Stone to back up his claims that he is making that first generation captive breed reptiles have a worst temperament than second or third generation.

Lets here your methods and results from your clinical experiments analyzing the comparisons.
Or is your up and coming article about this very subject and a warning to avoid wild caught reptiles just a way to gain a few more sales? Please enlighten us Mr. Stone, I can’t wait, and of course I would hate to have my belief in what your intentions are all mixed up.

Cheers Dave

[arbok]

lol,
doesnt really make sense either way... either that or ive got it all wrong!

because wild caught u could get some good temprement and bad temprement right Dave?
and captive bred its the same deal....
3rd and fourth generation could only really make if a difference if you selectively breed the oneswith the "best" temprements...

just my understanding of it... correct me if im wayyyy of!

[Splitmore]

whats with all the popcorn rubbish?
Dave has simply asked Stone to provide the back up evidence to support his claims which he has apparently left out of the article. As a breeder myself I am extremely interested in Simon Stones study and how he has come to his conclusions about temperament in first and second generation offspring. Maybe Stone has unlocked the secret in how to effectively 'domesticate' an amimal which has evolved over thousands of years in one or two generations.
Surely thats worth asking the question.

[arbok]

Originally Posted by Splitmore

whats with all the popcorn rubbish?
Dave has simply asked Stone to provide the back up evidence to support his claims which he has apparently left out of the article. As a breeder myself I am extremely interested in Simon Stones study and how he has come to his conclusions about temperament in first and second generation offspring. Maybe Stone has unlocked the secret in how to effectively 'domesticate' an amimal which has evolved over thousands of years in one or two generations.
Surely thats worth asking the question.

when i read the article, i just assumed he bred the ones with good temprement.. lol

[Hix]

I strongly believe that there is nothing wrong with asking a valid question, even of our sponsors. However, the tone of the first post in this thread is a little hostile. This may well be unintentional, but it has still come across that way and we have had complaints (which is why I mention it).

The Mods will be watching this thread, so please keep all discussions civil. Members are allowed to have different viewpoints, and you can agree to disagree. But please refrain from indulging in any name-calling or general nastiness simply because someone has a different opinion to yours.



Hix

[TrueBlue]

I would also like to know the answer to Daves question, as many breeders claim to breed for temperament. Yet to me the perfect example would be dogs, they have been domesticly bred for hundreds, possibly thousands of years, yet you can still get aggresive and non-aggresive dogs in a litter no matter how they are raised, or by whom.

[boa]

I thought we had this exact same thread a couple of months ago ?

[Ricko]

This is a new article i believe boa.

[boa]

Oh OK, thanks. It's basically the same question asked before though.

[PilbaraPythons]

Furthermore I am appealing for evidence from Simon Stone on how he concludes temperament improvement from 1st generation to 2nd etc. That was never asked for nor given in the thread you are referring to Boa.

[pugsly]

You think that he is going to reply?

No chance.. I'm with you though, 1st or 50th, all the same, ask Scarffy, no difference.

[PilbaraPythons]

I have no idea whether he will reply or not.
The challenge has been made, it is now up to him to explain, if he wants to of course.

Cheers Dave

[Splitmore]

Exactly pugsly, most breeders will tell you exactly the same thing, unless of course they are pedalling their own hatchlings and making them out to be something special. Thats why I'd love to hear how he's managed to do it.

[rexs1]

I have bred jungles that from the first generation to successive generations show completely different personalities. From the same clutch of any generation you can get exeptionally quiet animals through to complete psycho's. Some breeds(womas, B/Hs) the whole clutch are usually quiet natured snakes. It will be interesting to hear Simon's reasons for his observations.
cheers Rex

[wokka]

Theres been very little work done on heretability in reptile although we all have our theories. I think one of the biggest furphies is the supposed heritability of appearance. We,ve all seen good and bad come out of the same clutch.I suppose the more generations captive bred animals become they should naturally select 'independant of the keeper' towards suitability for captive keeping. In the extreme case those that are not suited die and so dont breed but I suggest the genetic progrees is relatively slow. Keeper are always claiming credit for what the animals do naturally.