garycahill
Well-Known Member
Fine, point out some actual proof that Jesus or God actually exist.
You seem to have dodged that part of the question in your last post.
You seem to have dodged that part of the question in your last post.
Firstly Cris , the Bible does indicate to us that the world is round, just doesnt make a big deal about it. See Isaiah 40:22. "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth and its people are like grasshoppers"
Secondly the Theory of Evolution is just that...a THEORY meaning that it has not been proven. Thirdly the whole chimp thing , does it not make sense that all of someones' works share similarities...seeing as they are made by the same person???
Fourthly (if there is such a word?) Concerning Darwin...his theory was conceived in 1859 before electron microscopes etc. A lot has changed since then...and a lot of his theory is falling apart. Lets start here, he said, "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
--Charles Darwin, Origin of Species
With our modern technology we now discover organisms like the bacterial flagellum which are certainly complex and are not reducible in its complexity. Not to mention Darwin's ideas on the so called simple cell.....which is completely been blown out of the water. I agree that animals can and do evolve, to a degree but not to the extent of the diversity of life in our world. Another interesting fact is the statistical probability of these evolution steps to occur are far beyond absurd. eg for a red blood cell to be formed by chance from the amino acids it consists of are 1 in 10 to the power of 650...for those mathematicians out there will realise the magnitude of such a number. And before I get the "you are blind and ignorant and know nothing of science" retorts , I am very much into science and had studied it my entire life. I got dragged to church but after examining the facts and doing extensive research I have made up my own mind. It is just hard for people to believe anything but evolution because it gets drummed into us from childhood at school. In case you had not gathered by now, I believe in GOD. Anyone one want to argue some more iI welcome it..
Fine, point out some actual proof that Jesus or God actually exist.
You seem to have dodged that part of the question in your last post.
need to get some sleep but i'll get back to you tomorrow, cheers
The church does have a lot to answer for but so does humanity as a whole. The question is how much do you know about the Bible? Everyone is quick to bag the Bible and i can guarantee that none of the bible knockers have actually ever read it let alone understood much of it.. I have studied it for three years and I still know very little of it. As to its proof or validity , it is the first port of call for ancient historians, it is the most accurate and complete collection of ancient history that is backed up and supported by other books, scrolls, documents, archeological artifacts.
The church does have a lot to answer for but so does humanity as a whole. The question is how much do you know about the Bible? Everyone is quick to bag the Bible and i can guarantee that none of the bible knockers have actually ever read it let alone understood much of it.. I have studied it for three years and I still know very little of it. As to its proof or validity , it is the first port of call for ancient historians, it is the most accurate and complete collection of ancient history that is backed up and supported by other books, scrolls, documents, archeological artifacts.
By far the biggest question is.... us? How did we get here? well Darwin thought he was smart and said "Monkeys" lol.... ok Darwin, I'll byte lol, where's your proof? Darwin:"um, there's a missing link"... Oh I see, well lets go digging.....Darwin the old boy died and till this day no link (or links) which is weird... cause if we evolved from monkeys then there must be thousands of links to show our evolutionary road here right? well i guess we can keep digging lol.
my second question is, the universe and all life in general... How did that get here? You look at nature and it's complicated... even our non living galaxy is complicated... one living cell (even a so called simple cell) is more complicated then any technology we can yet imagine. In fact, scientists cant figure out how these "simple" cells came to be... "Oh it was a coincidence".... Oh was it? ok, well here is a clock... i'm going to take this apart, piece by piece and put in a box... now i will shake the box for millions of years... ok to be fair, billions... when I stop shaking, according to this theory of coincidence, a working clock will fall out...
Scientists/science understands sooo much of our universe... all 5% of it (actually it's 4%, but lets not get technical)
Is there a creator? well um, I dont know... maybe it was all a coincidence, or maybe there is something in the rest of the universe (96% of it) that created life...
lol life is a joke kids, lets all die laughing
nope... we have manipulated life... no man made cell yet
That contradicts what I have read. Where did you find that information?
I they havnt created life yet it wont be long before they do. Here is an article on the topic.
Life to order: Man-made organisms will be here in four months, say biologists | Mail Online
Well I read lots of science mags, i love them, and one of the top guys (can't be bothered getting it out) said that how the first micro organism were formed is still a mystery...
aaand the clock analogy was not for evolution but for the appearance of the first cell... again... I can shake the atoms needed and nothing will happen, maybe gas will come out...
and here we have another problem.... Theory, evolution is a theory... anyone want to look up a dictionary?
Excuse My French emotion, but it seems that theres a herd of evolutionist attacking the creationists... I'm not even bring up the bible, no need... science is great don't get me wrong, but sometimes big adults have to admit that they don't understand everything
Lol so now we are talking about shaking atoms? I thought you were using an analogy to explain a complex problem. I dont think there was any shaking involved in the generation of the first 'living thing'. Life could have begun in our oceans and maybe didnt consist of the molecules we see in living things today but maybe it did. Google abiogenesis, in the library at uni there is a whole wall of books on the topic.
The origin of life is a mystery and to some it always will be, trying to understand what happened 3 billion years ago is pretty difficult but that is one reason why it is so facinating. Admiting that we dont know everything is the first step in trying to understand somthing, if natural selection was found to be insufficient to explain the evolution of life we wouldnt turn to creation, we would turn to the data and try to find another explanation. If the evidence supported the idea of creation science would be happy to move in that direction.
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