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Putting your licence number on here is really no diferent to supplying it to someone who buys something off you.


I agree, if people want licenses numbers what's stopping them from making one up.

i think they're going to be more likely to make one up than what they are copying someone.

I could say my license number is AKL3985xx. Your less likely to trace that if you do find out it's fake than if i say mine is a particular persons.

That makes sense in my head.
 
Peter, ( I don't mean to be disresptectful) you are a member of another site that most of your buddies are on....they have a for sale section and they are not putting there AKL Nos on their ads and I cannot see a thread that you have started about anyone on that site doing that...how come??

Fay why does that matter, aren't you concerned with this site and the overall hobby.

Alot of my 'buddies' are on that site to, but I never go on it.
 
How about we wait for clarification from DECC! Surely they have an official spokesperson who can comment and provide further clarity on the issue!
 
Hazz, there is no need for clarification - it is clearly stated as a condition on our licences. What needs clarification is the Petlink stuff. And sure, it is not up to APS to police the licence requirements of each state but if that is the case why is there are requirement to put SA numbers in the ads???

And Fay - here is my post on ARF:

For those of you with NSW licences please be aware of changes that have been made to the advertising restrictions. I have only become aware of these since receiving my licence renewal. I would be interested in knowing if any other herp societies were aware of when these changes formally came into play.

Anyway, if you have an older licence (printed in blue I guess) your advertising clause (I think clause will read something like:

"The Licensee shall not advertise for the disposal or acquisition of protected fauna the subject of this licence, except in a publication of a society of keepers of fauna authorised to be held under this license of which the licensee is a member".

Clause 9 of my new licence now reads:

The licensee, if advertising the disposal or acquisition of protected native animals the subjest of this licence, may only advertise such animals for disposal or acquisition in a publication of a society of keepers of animals authorised to be held under this license of which the licensee is a member, or in a specialist publication, journal or internet site related to the keeping of the animal. In all cases the licensee shall state the following in such an advertisement when advertising the disposal or acquisition of protected native animals:
a) The holders Native Animal Keepers license number
b) That the protected native animals involved are only available for purchase or disposal to the holder of a current Native Animal Keepers' Licence or other relevant licence authorising the possession or disposal of those protected native animals"

This is a good move in that it confirms a practice that has been going on for many years. But note that it does not mention advertising in pet shops and I would not expect that Petlink is seen as a specialist site related to keeping reptiles. But it is up to the department to rule on Petlink by either contacting people who advertise there telling them that it is illegal to do so or by continuing to do nothing therefore making it legal by their inactivity.

From ARF's point of view we need to make sure that all NSW sellers advertsie their licence number plus that little disclaimer bit.
 
That is fine Pete, it was only an observation and a question!
There was no intent...I only mentioned about the mate/buddy so that you would know exactly what site I was referring to...
 
DEC come on here almost every day. They see exactly what goes on...how come they haven't put a thread up about it, letting us know that the rules have changed and explaining why??


And why aren't they spending more time on Petlink where animals like these Asian Albino Soft-shells are being sold in NSW?

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And why aren't they spending more time on Petlink where animals like these Asian Albino Soft-shells are being sold in NSW?

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Posted by vison (Sydney) on 22-May-08 11:05 PM AEST
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4cm, 600 each

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I was talking about this site...not petlink.
 
I would see alot peoples issues relating to scams, fruad, and illegal activities helped if they follow condition 3. That way at least there is documentary evidence that can protect you.
 
And where lies our privacy and security??

As becswillbe, JasonL, amazonian have all mentioned, it only opens the door for more fraudulent activity. Of course we take risks in giving out our details already (whether it be just a licence number or address) but rulings such as that your speaking of peter is absolute lunacy.

If the DEC want to do things RIGHT then they need to do a whole revamp of the current system, and i believe the first step there should be in photo identification such as a drivers licence.

Implementing little make shift rules like this only aggravates things. Sure some will abide by it, and no doubt people will be further scammed.

Whats to stop someone advertising with a made up number and selling/buying anyhow? What is it supposed to help or prevent?

Do you REALLY think the DEC is going to crack down on fraudulent activities and advertisements such as that already mentioned. Hell i tried getting them involved when i got scammed, and what did i get, nothing but a brush off because they dont have the time or resources to carry such actions out......and this ruling is supposed to fix this.....i think not.
 
Clause 9 also states that when advertising in a wanted ad you must also supply your license number.

I have no idea what logic is behind supplying lic number details in adverts but to me it seems rediculous.To my way of thinking the only persons to be supplied that info is the actual buyer and seller.
 
re NSW

Dont see any problem in displaying a license number,plenty have it now anyway,DEC get on here sniffing around it is really up to them to notify the S man or faysey of their wishes,pete is a "good boy" his mummy teached im right proper :)
 
I was talking about this site...not petlink.

Yes, I understand that! What I was saying was why is DEC spending so much time on this site where people clearly do the right thing when they should be going through Petlink with a fine tooth comb, investigating the dodgy sellers there!
 
The Herp Trader was contacted by the NSW department a few months back asking that we include licence numbers for NSW ads.

We have updated our forms and processes accordingly.
 
I really dont get the motivation behind this thread. OK there would appear to be a discrepancy between the wording of the new licence conditions and general practice in most web based advertising forums be they herpetologically based or not, but what's the point of making a song and dance about this if DECC is not showing any concern?
 
and in response I've just advertised on RDU and sold a pair of geckos (ad now deleted) and I'll be considering in future if i want to be subscriber.
Why cant some people leave well alone..........
 
I dont see what the big deal is, we have to do it over here in SA.

If someone is going to steal your license number they can find a number in many ways other than your for sale ad, like previous purchases, or just plain making one up,

It may well stop people selling things that are not on license when they should be.
 
Spongebob just saw your forsale add PMSL....

Would you consider a trade for one from another state lol
 
It may well stop people selling things that are not on license when they should be.

In fact, it also does the reverse, If I was selling a rare species of lizard, that say only 3 people have on Lic in NSW ( it may be rare or as often is the case, common but rare on paper) and put my Lic no up with the add, then Joe Blow looks the info up on the net and can catch some for his own, and write in his books that I sold them to him. It happens often already and there doesn't seem to be much cross referencing from the authorities, If we put our Lic details on adds it will increase dramatically, though maybe this will create such a stir it will cause some action? Still, I don't won't to be part of that stir if possible.
 
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