waruikazi
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One of the more pointless threads I've read in a while. Thanks for giving me some mindless rubbish to read whilst winding down from work.
Atleast it's intelligent mindless rubbish. Well most of it anyway.
One of the more pointless threads I've read in a while. Thanks for giving me some mindless rubbish to read whilst winding down from work.
Hahaha. That post made this whole thread worthwhile!
Your a tool, who cant be wrong. Everyone has different opinions, why argue with everyone who doesnt share yours > crap thread,
P.S. get a life
When you line every snake up and test the toxicity of their venom, we can go ahead and brag that we have some venomous snakes for sure.
I was looking for a list of the most dangerous snakes on google and i came across this paper.
Australia's Venomous Snakes: The Modern Myth
It is well worth a read and makes some really good arguments about our snakes being pussies in comparison to some other snakes in the world. The author has a good old dig at the LD50 test (which we base most of our assumptions of our snakes being the most venomous on) and explains why it doesn't correlate to human envenomation.
The other point it is making is that the LD50 test of venom potency test how deadly the venom is to rodents. So if a snake, like a mulga that feeds on frogs and reptiles, is compared to a gwardar, which feeds on reptiles and mammals the results do not correlate and then to try and compare the affects to people... Although it is probably a good guideline the methodology is flawed because we aren't mice.
I gathered the LD50 was just a comparable indicator. I think it is "others" who have wrongly "assumed" it has something to do with humans, when in fact it's nothing more than a basic gauge. I mean, how do you rate a sea-snake venom's on a mouse?? This venom wasn't produced by evolutionary means to deal with rodents. So what do we do? Have subject variations for LD50?
There are some venoms out there which probably wouldn't kill you, but after being invenomated by it, you'd probably wish you were :lol:
The lack of sufficient medical treatment in a poor country can make a snake more dangerous, but lets say for arguments sake Inland Tai's were introduced and thrived in these countries where they cannot seek proper medical attention when bitten, fatal bites from Tai’s would surpass that of the other previously thought “deadliest” species that you speak of.
So why do Aussies seem to love to exaggerate the danger of their animals?
What?
Aussies hate being second at anything, especially at the most dangerous stuff.
I have to laugh at these arguments, some are talking most deadly some most venomous...lets throw most toxic and poisonous into the mix as well, just to show how little most of you understand about the topic.
According to a legitimate scientific LD50 test, 6 of the top 10 most venomous LAND snakes are endemic to Australia. This cannot be argued with. It is a proven, measured fact. You can try to argue that we are not mice but human...true but mice are mammals and so are we, we have the same circulatory systems and function in the same way. Of course a snake will always envenomate a mouse with just enough venom to kill it but won't always envenomate a human, they strike in defense. Then you have different types of venom, neurotoxic, cytotoxic etc one travels down the lymph nodes and shuts down organs while the other causes necrosis and travels using the circulatory system, which is better? Neither/both, they are designed to function in different ways for different purposes on different prey sized small enough to fit in the mouth of the snake whole.
As far as deadly is concerned, there are far too many variables to take into account. Anyone CLAIMING "The Most Deadly" is just giving an OPINION and not stating scientific fact so you should take it with a grain of salt.
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According to a legitimate scientific LD50 test, 6 of the top 10 most venomous LAND snakes are endemic to Australia. This cannot be argued with. It is a proven, measured fact. You can try to argue that we are not mice but human...true but mice are mammals and so are we, we have the same circulatory systems and function in the same way.
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