what are bulldogs like really???

[JasonL]

As for dogs being "recognised" in Australia, go to the Australian National Kennel Council site, you will find many of these breeds arn't recognised for various reasons, American Bulldogs being one of them.

 

[JasonL]

Breed Standard for British Bulldogs is 25kg for males, Aussies males (unrecognised) is 29 - 39kg.

 

[Fireflyshuffle]

I think with any bulldog you have a risk of somthing. they were bread to fight back centuries ago, and inbetween been used for other things too. its in the breed and i strongly agree on it. ive seen to many phsyco bulldogs, not enough placid, easy going family dogs to be satisfied its a good breed. unless anyone wants to prove wrong?agreed jasonL with your point too

 

[Fireflyshuffle]

Thats correct, "breed standard" notmany breeders have "standards anymore is also my point" just because there a "breeder" doesnt mean your getting a perfect dog

 

[hydropython]

Have a read of that site. They are a registered breed, i know what the history of them is and the only known pit type they have in them is bully and the majority of the rest (apart from bulldog) is boxer and mastiff.

Just because you don't like them or there history doesn't mean they aren't there. With that logic an ambull is nothing more than a mutt.

wow, are you stupid enough to believe that a dog as massive and capable of dismemberment as a mastiff has never been used in a fighting pit??..correct. An ambull is a mutt.

 

[hydropython]

I think with any bulldog you have a risk of somthing. they were bread to fight back centuries ago, and inbetween been used for other things too. its in the breed and i strongly agree on it. ive seen to many phsyco bulldogs, not enough placid, easy going family dogs to be satisfied its a good breed. unless anyone wants to prove wrong?agreed jasonL with your point too

1. They weren't bred to fight, they were bred to take down bulls in packs.
2. Physical strength is not an indicator of aggressive behaviour. Short man syndrome should be evidence enough for this.

 

[English]

british bulldogs are *****s. sister in law bought one from a "highly sought breeder" for 2 and a half thousand, its killed a ****su,a sheep, chickens, and the only thing left is the boxer dog thats been attacked from it heaps . they are mungrels, every one ive known are mungrels.(sorry if you know diff) but you want opinions. they are poorly bread anyway with the bracecephalic face that makes it hard for them to breathe. they cant run for long, well not "meant" too. they are just like a fat ***** on the ground that weighs about 40 kg.

That is the first I have ever heard of a british bulldog attacking other animals.. sorry to hear of your experience of loss.. both of my british bulldogs never snapped at anything or anyone.. kids and other dogs jumping all over them and they just took it with a grin. they are known to hold grudges though and if something has done wrong by them they'll remember but usually not aggressive by nature unless taught to be aggressive I have found.

Maybe if they are threatened then I would not be suprised and would not want to see the outcome as they will be out to cause serious damage to what ever has threatened them like any animal.

2500 is a lot of money to be paying for a british bulldog - here in melbourne they range from 1500 to 2000 for show qaulity..

And yes they were breed to hold down and stress bulls back in the days so a butcher could then cut the throat - They believed that meat was better qaulity if it was stressed before killing - Hence the shape, size, and wrinkles.

Heavy set head front and neck - So not broken by a bull shaking.
Wrinkles - So blood would not enter the eyes.
Lose Skin - So not to have vital organs damaged - Only skin would be torn.
Setback nose - Enabled breathing whilst locking onto a bull.
Thin backend - So not to break back when being swung around.

It was not till later that they were used for bull baiting as a sport..

Anyway for what it is worth mine would just rather sloth on the sofa, fart, snore and lick family and friends to death.. I have found them to be lovely natured in everyway..

 

[English]

Big softies...

 

[waruikazi]

wow, are you stupid enough to believe that a dog as massive and capable of dismemberment as a mastiff has never been used in a fighting pit??..correct. An ambull is a mutt.

How stupid are you? You don't know what ur talking about. I never said they couldn't be used for fighting I said the only significant pit dog blood they have in them is bully, pit meaning a dog bred for pit fighting which bulldogs weren't bred for. Bulldogs were bred for hunting/holding down large animals so they can be easily killed.

 

[Miss B]

I'm not a huge fan of bulldogs, but then I'm not a big fan of bracycephalic breeds in general.

 

[alex_c]

want a dog that'll take down a bull?? Presa Canario........... The bulls will run away.......

they are illegal in australia.

 

[gravitation]

Jeeeez

How stupid are you? You don't know what ur talking about. I never said they couldn't be used for fighting I said the only significant pit dog blood they have in them is bully, pit meaning a dog bred for pit fighting which bulldogs weren't bred for. Bulldogs were bred for hunting/holding down large animals so they can be easily killed.

Point IS almost all breeders of british bulldogs are still going to tell you they are a high maintenance breed, it is a cruel breed due to the fact that most of them have c-sections when giving birth.

Yes they have many flaws, like other breeds but to add to the demand is pretty cruel in its self.

Get a mutt from the pound, nicest thing you can do and they often have staffys and tough little dogs like that because they are a harder dog to train and when a breed like that isn't well behaved people suffer more than they would if it were say a maltese.


As for the american and aussie bulldog discussion; I didn't say they hadn't been around for a long time, there are ALOT of breeds that are not recognized that are bred locally i.e tenterfield terrier and yes you can buy a well bred aussie bulldog from certain breeders in nsw that do get almost the same results in multiple dogs.

Oh and it won't be cheap.
Point is why pay so much money for something you could get from the pound and for something that would not qualify as a proper breed.

When you pay over one thousand dollars for a breed you should know exactly what kind of dog you are getting, roughly what temperament they have and grooming requirements.

GO TO THE POUND if you want a mixed breed.

Buying a mixed breed from a breeder increases the demand and then you get backyard breeders and for a backyard breeder to fool around with bulldogs genetics has the potential to do so much damage.

Again, pound.

 

[alex_c]

As for a bulldog,personally id go for a johnson/scott hybrid american bulldog

 

[waruikazi]

Point IS almost all breeders of british bulldogs are still going to tell you they are a high maintenance breed, it is a cruel breed due to the fact that most of them have c-sections when giving birth.

Yes they have many flaws, like other breeds but to add to the demand is pretty cruel in its self.

Get a mutt from the pound, nicest thing you can do and they often have staffys and tough little dogs like that because they are a harder dog to train and when a breed like that isn't well behaved people suffer more than they would if it were say a maltese.


As for the american and aussie bulldog discussion; I didn't say they hadn't been around for a long time, there are ALOT of breeds that are not recognized that are bred locally i.e tenterfield terrier and yes you can buy a well bred aussie bulldog from certain breeders in nsw that do get almost the same results in multiple dogs.

Oh and it won't be cheap.
Point is why pay so much money for something you could get from the pound and for something that would not qualify as a proper breed.

When you pay over one thousand dollars for a breed you should know exactly what kind of dog you are getting, roughly what temperament they have and grooming requirements.

GO TO THE POUND if you want a mixed breed.

Buying a mixed breed from a breeder increases the demand and then you get backyard breeders and for a backyard breeder to fool around with bulldogs genetics has the potential to do so much damage.

Again, pound.

I never said they weren't a high maintenance dog, i totally agree with that and the brits have many many genetic problems. People will pay a lot of money for a dog that they want which i think is a good thing. It's a commitment for the life of the dog, 15-18 years, you are far more likely to look after something you have invested a lot of money into.

And pound dogs can be a real hassle, my parents dog is a pound dog. She has been nothing but a problem since we got her, we love her but she is full of health problems and is a neurotic cow who hates any and all men. I got a pound dog before i got my boy cubes, it went mental and attacked anything it could. Pound dogs nearly always come with baggage and you really don't know what ur getting.

 

[Leezel73]

wow!!! I didn't expect such a huge response to this
Thanks guys!!!

 

[JasonL]

. People will pay a lot of money for a dog that they want which i think is a good thing. It's a commitment for the life of the dog, 15-18 years, you are far more likely to look after something you have invested a lot of money into
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Your right there, convert it to snakes, why get a free rescued carpet if all you want is a woma? would you be as keen to look after something you really didn't want? or would it just be passed on a little further down the track. ABD's are great dogs, though still need some refining to get a secure type animal, they are great natured animal, with fewer health problems than the English, really, the true forms are nothing like an English. All breeds start somewhere, and I'm sure with their growing popularity they will be a recognised breed.

 

[ihaveherps]

I cant be bothered dredging back through the thread.... whoever the dog washer is, stick to scrubbing them and quit dealing history of American Bulldogs.... honestly your miles off. Many dogs were registered in the kennels in the US, with the prefix "American", fair enough in time they have bred them for different purpose lending to physical changes, which in the US tends to be for larger size. Anyone who is confused enough to think that Brittish Bulldogs (their current form) in any way resembles the old propper bulldogs who could physically go nose to nose with anything bovine, really needs to get off the good stuff. The real bull baiters were a much larger, more agile and physical beast all together. The Brits have bred a few breeds down to un-natural standards, the bulldogs now are riddled with problems, Korgi's cant even breed unless placed on pillows as their legs are too short.

 

[gravitation]

I cant be bothered dredging back through the thread.... whoever the dog washer is, stick to scrubbing them and quit dealing history of American Bulldogs.... honestly your miles off. Many dogs were registered in the kennels in the US, with the prefix "American", fair enough in time they have bred them for different purpose lending to physical changes, which in the US tends to be for larger size. Anyone who is confused enough to think that Brittish Bulldogs (their current form) in any way resembles the old propper bulldogs who could physically go nose to nose with anything bovine, really needs to get off the good stuff. The real bull baiters were a much larger, more agile and physical beast all together. The Brits have bred a few breeds down to un-natural standards, the bulldogs now are riddled with problems, Korgi's cant even breed unless placed on pillows as their legs are too short.

When once did i mention the history of american bulldogs? You sir are way off. I could'nt care less about changes the american bulldog has gone through my point was they are rarely bred to fit one physical/mental requirement and for that reason they do not qualify as a purebred. They should not be given a cute little name to suggest that they are a breed because A it confuses people and B The end results in what a person is getting in a dog arn't as set in stone as they could be.

I never said that bulldogs are the same now as they were 100 years ago although there is much evidence to suggest that was the case, but as riddled with flaws as they may be they still get bred to the exact same standard and qualify as a purebred therefore validating the fact that you spend alot of money on a good purebred.

There are two types of american bulldog, that alone suggests they struggle to get the same results WHICH IS WHAT A PUREBRED IS.

Jeeez people, it's not a purebred, you can't disagree with that and that is all i am saying.

Generally when you rescue a pound dog you should temperament test it, unless it's a very young dog.

 

[djfreshy]

Back to the original question! I am also a dog groomer (for 18 years), and a recognized ANKC judge. Bulldogs make wonderful pets and in all my years of experience within dogs in both a professional and hobbyist capacity, I have never seen an aggressive Bulldog. Ofcourse there are many things to consider before purchasing one. Research is the key. Find out EVERYTHING you possibly can about the breed. Go to dog shows, meet the breeders, and talk to them. There are breeders, then there are BREEDERS. Make sure you choose a well respected one, who is a member of their state controlling body, who MUST abide by a code of ethics. Hunderds of thousands of dollars is being poured into canine research every year. Most great breeders loose MUCH more money then they will ever make on their dogs. Its a passion. PM me if you would like more information.
On a side note, it irks me a little when people give false and misleading information, which is ofcourse due to their own lack of knowledge. If your not completely sure of something, then better to say nothing. Hence why I never hand out reptile advice LOL.

 

[Troyster]

Im extremely suprised by the amount of ignorant people on here,the problem is not with the breed of dog its with the people who buy them.People buy "pit" breeds as it seems to be the fasionable thing to do at the moment,i personally own 2 amstaffs which are very closely related to the well known and hated American pit bull terrier and i couldnt have asked for a more gentle dog.However i researched the breed before i bought them and knew how dominant they can be and how much time you as the owner need to invest in them socialising with people and other animals etc.People these days go out on a whim and buy these pit breeds as they look "tough" and have absolutely no idea on controlling a potentially aggressive and dangerous dog, then wonder why it kills things,hello these breeds including amstaffs boxers mastiffs english staffies bulldogs to name a few were bred for blood sport,to bring down bulls and wild bears.These breeds are definately not for an inexperienced dog handler,they must have a firm hand and be taught boundaries so they know exactly what is unexceptable and provided these rules are followed you will end up with and well behaved socially acceptable dog just like i proudly own