Don't Pet Stores Disgust you

[Mudimans]

They must have figured a few things out.. Last time I was there, just about every animal was housed uncorrectly..

How long ago were you there? Can't say I've noticed any problems.

 

[Ned_fisch]

How long ago were you there? Can't say I've noticed any problems.

Its been around 2 months. Thats the reason I haven't been back, don't like to see the animals housed incorrectly.

 

[xScarlettex]

ive noticed alot of petstores around me dont seem to know much about the snakes they are selling, one i went to even had all the scientific names of the snakes wrong, they had a stimmi called a stimpson python, i asked the lady about it and she said 'the p is silent, theyre called stimpson pythons because theyre found in the simpson desert'.. i looked at her in shock and told her that theyre "stimson pythons and theyre called that because they were named after a worker at the british museum (id done some research coz i was looking to buy one)' and she looked at me and goes 'i think i would know.. i breed them'. Needless to say i didnt buy one there lol

 

[Ned_fisch]

ive noticed alot of petstores around me dont seem to know much about the snakes they are selling, one i went to even had all the scientific names of the snakes wrong, they had a stimmi called a stimpson python, i asked the lady about it and she said 'the p is silent, theyre called stimpson pythons because theyre found in the simpson desert'.. i looked at her in shock and told her that theyre "stimson pythons and theyre called that because they were named after a worker at the british museum (id done some research coz i was looking to buy one)' and she looked at me and goes 'i think i would know.. i breed them'. Needless to say i didnt buy one there lol

If I was told that, I would burst out laughing.. and leave the shop

 

[Fireflyshuffle]

Basic thing to say to this thread is - if you have a problem with what the pet shops are doing, report it, because sitting here and writing about it over and over again isnt helping the animals. And its not 100% accurate about nsw pet stores doing it better, not every pet store in nsw are the same, and theres always dodgy, but more precise, lazy owners and workers in nearly all pet shops. the reptiles will go great in nsw, untill they either get sick of the maintenence or all the kids that come in making a big scene about snakes in he tank, that they will only worsen, as with the ones in other states. i wish it wouldnt go into pet shops in nsw. i think the breeders out there that are doing it now, have been doing it great so far(of course, again not every, but alot of the breeders) how many ppl complain now about the continuous threads on "my snake escaped" "my snakes not eating"? wait till nsw becomes like the rest. cheers

 

[Twin_Rivers]

I think generalisation of 'PET STORES" and labelling all as bad is not necessary. Certainly there are many stores which do look after their animals better then others, and stores that take pride in what they do. Then there are stores which only concern is profit and if the animals health suffer because of it then they do not seem to care. This senario seems to be every store that you all visit, in actual fact it is the minority, in my opinion. Stores that are in it for the money and cram animals in to make 'better' use of the space will also be buying the cheapest animals they can find, the 'runts' so to speak that will never perform as well as animal which are healthy specimens, then size of enclosure and cheapest feed possible makes them look even poorer, but unfortunately people still buy them, so they do it again.
While people are willing to pay for poorly cared for animals then the pet store staff/owners will continue to offer substandard conditions, there is very little that we can as 'Public' can do except report to authorities in detail as to what the problem witht he animal housing/health is and encourage the support of the pet shops which are doing it 'right'

 

[angel]

FUNNY!! - I went into a pet shop here in townsville a couple of months ago that was selling a bearded dragon - with a frilled neck when i commented on it , i was told that the person they brought it off said it was a breadie so they had to sell it as a beardie - plain stupid if you ask me

 

[-Matt-]

The pet store that sells reptiles that we usually go to up here is the Pet Superstore at Stafford, and I can happily say they keep their reps in great condition and enclosures that are good sizes, clean and very well set up! It's a pleasure to go and see their animals! (And no, I don't work for them or know the owners or anything-but I do think they deserve a good wrap!).
Sounds awful to hear some of the stuff you guys have seen!

I believe that Scrubbycam off this site now works there, not positive if he's in the reptile section or not though

 

[dailyskin]

Generally, I find pet stores the most disturbing and traumatic places. There are some noteable exceptions, of course...

And I thought Aussie ones were bad, until I came across some SHOCKERS in Barcelona. One shop had so many native Aussie birds, all in dreadful condition

 

[fraser888]

Its amazing isnt it! My god thats bad. Well Ben remember science? So maybe not all NSW pet shops are reptile free.

 

[xScarlettex]

Fair enough not all pet stores mistreat their animals and they may not all deserve to be generalised but many of them are small businesses that buy poor stock and employ ignorant (usually very young) staff to cut costs, This may be the minority but it appears that its happening more and more and not even with just pet stores, i recently lost my job at a boarding kennel to a 15 yr old because the owner couldnt afford to keep me, The stores that keep healthy stock in a suitable environment with staff that are well informed at least get the loyalty of their customers so with any luck the other stores with slowly be weeded out.

 

[LauraM]

The ones at Pet city arnt really small but i hate it hows theres no branches... everytime i go in the bhp is trying to fit thru the gap in the glass and the other snakes never move position.. i think there fake..

 

[Viaaf]

It's the same way here in the states. Many don't have any reptiles. Those that do usually have only a few, overpriced and underfed. Usually those with more are committed to them and do a better job with them. Not always. There is one near me that specializes in reptiles and hardly sells anything else. The animals' conditions are pretty borderline, it always looks like they are a week or so behind with cage cleaning and maintenance. My real disagreement with them is that the owner is a school teacher, biology for 14 to 18 year old teenagers. (here it is called high school, 9-12 grade) Many people think he is terrific, a good guy who knows everything. He's a scumbag! He says that almost everything he sells is captive bred when it isn't, the prices are off for that and I generally know the wholesalers that sell to him. Other things, too, like when a friend traded a pair of geckos, Uroplatus fimbriatus, to the store for a python. That night they were advertising a pair of proven breeder geckos they wanted to sell, had just laid eggs the week before. That's right, it was my friends pair. They hadn't been at the store the week before, and never bred, either. The owner is screwy, too. I went by there last week, I wanted to see if a snake they were advertising was what they said. Looked like it was, Morelia nauta, the Tanimbar python. I talked to the owner about it a few minutes, thinking I might trade for it. I mentioned having a pair of Kayuadi dwarf reticulated pythons. The owner said he'd like those so he could breed super dwarf pythons. I asked what he meant, he told me if you breed a dwarf to a dwarf you get a super dwarf. That's like saying you can breed a pigmy pythons together and get super pigmys!?!? Not only wrong, also crazy, a basic grasp of animal basics.
I know I'm going on too long, but if you've read this far, you should read this, too. This is something he posted on another forum. It's just incredible!
Hello. I have attached a picture of our cages. We have two. Thank you Cages By Design. One like you see, dry, the other more moist but not "rainforest".

The dry one I and my students would like to set up a "world" like a powerful being but not a God with a capital "G". We want to play god, little "g". My idea for the dry cage which is 4' long, 4' tall and 2' wide. Some dry type geckos in the lower layer, a few rose hair tarantulas, some collareds or the like up high and a pair of juvenile Greek or Russian tortoises or box turtles down below. As the animals get too large, we would adopt them out to individuals or trade for smaller of the same species. Any babies would be a benefit and sold or donated but generating income is very low on our priority list.

The other would hold arboreal geckos like cresteds or Giant Halmaheras etc, maybe a pair of Jackson chameleons, maybe some larger anoles, some millipedes, mantids, the kids would like a pair of Frilleds also.

These lists are possibilities. We would really like to make 2 ecosystems that closely resemble normal environments . So compatability is a must or a strong desire.

We would love advice on what animals would work in these environments and how I can make the environments better. Thank you, Vinny Ferraiolo

ANY IDEAS?????

Vinny Ferraiolo
Thomas Dale High School
Biology Teacher
http://www.sciline.net

Then on the forum he argues about why this is a good plan. Incredible!

 

[funcouple]

im not religious, but i thank god that so far pet shops in NSW cant sell reptiles and i pray that this wont change. i know there would be good shops that would keep and care for reptiles that their selling, but i dont think a few good shops is worth the risk of all the possible bad shops

 

[AUSGECKO]

im not religious, but i thank god that so far pet shops in NSW cant sell reptiles and i pray that this wont change. i know there would be good shops that would keep and care for reptiles that their selling, but i dont think a few good shops is worth the risk of all the possible bad shops

Thats why not all petshops will be allowed to sell reptiles, There is talk that there should be a compulsory course for store staff before animals can be sold and i agree with that. Some time ago i went to a particular invite only meeting that included various representatives from DECC, a couple of herp society`s and some people who represented various sides of the pet industry. Something i found amusing was that when these training courses were mentioned it was a person who owns a "reptile specialty" store (products only) that stood up and said "I dont have to do any course, I have been keeping and breeding reptiles for three years now!" :lol: that was the dumbest thing i had heard any one say for a long time.
It is these narrow minded, self proclaimed know it alls that needed to be monitored closely.

 

[SCam]

The ones at Pet city arnt really small but i hate it hows theres no branches... everytime i go in the bhp is trying to fit thru the gap in the glass and the other snakes never move position.. i think there fake..

is ther a pet city in western australia? the only 1 i kno is in the brissy area and they r only alowed antaresia and antaresia are mainly a ground dwelling python so ther isnt much need for branches.

 

[Emmalicious]

I would report them for that! Cruelty or what?

 

[Emzie]

yeah when i moved to QLD i knew they kept reptiles in pet stores and i was pretty excited (had never seen it before) but i thought i would have to go to some specialist store and they i saw turtles in pets paradise!!!!

i wouldn't even trust pets paradise with a puppy scary to think they can sell reptiles

 

[mysnakesau]

I was always open minded and always listened to my customers. I didn't try to know everything. No body knows everything but if one isn't prepared to accept a little advice from the other side of the counter then they won't last. My business failed anyway, but not on bad merit on my part.

 

[wokka]

It seems there's one rule for pet stores and another for private keepers. Many of the petshop critisisms relate to too small a cage size but when a newbie says they have put their new pet in a cage aps comes down on them and says too big, put them in a click clack. Shops have public scrutiny so every mistake is noticed. Luckily most private keepers dont .