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What is it that makes you think the Americans are so much more successful than Australians at breeding animals from our country? I can't see the value in an extra $1000 compared to doing a course with some of Australias most experienced and well respected herpers.
 
What is it that makes you think the Americans are so much more successful than Australians at breeding animals from our country? I can't see the value in an extra $1000 compared to doing a course with some of Australias most experienced and well respected herpers.

I agree, there are many innovative and successful breeders all around us, and the information is free.... Join a herp society or two, get to meet people and learn how they do things, work out for YOURSELF what doesn't work and what does and figure out why it does, and you will educate yourself better with that particular species better than from just following in someone else footsteps..... Whilst it would be an interesting thing to go to $1500 - 2 k! for one night!!! bugger off... go for a 2 week herping holiday instead...
 
I agree the cost is making me hesitant especially when flights, accomodation etc are added onto the registration fee. BUT what most people dont seem to be realising is this.

the theme of the inaugural conference is "professional breeding", and some of our speakers are the most professional in the world of herps.

sure it would be of interest to the average keeper, hobbyist etc.. but this conference is basically about professional keeping, breeding, marketing, pricing, health disease management etc etc for a professional business setup. Now theres a few professional breeders here in Australia, but no where near the numbers overseas and I think when the actual theme of this conference is understood and realised thats its just not some herp conference and is basically a 'how to' for a professional breeding setup thats run as a business and the best ways to go about it etc maybe the information at this conference is vastly different to whats been assumed and not the sort of information thats really available at other herp conferences or herp societies etc.
 
Every year the AVES parrot convention hosts overseas speakers of similar quality but for less than $300 a head. Unless the costs are reevaluated I can't see a particularly high attendance rate.

We all know why it was so cheap for them,:rolleyes::rolleyes: those conventions are just an international EGG SWAP. The talks are just a front for it.
I dont think it even compares to what these guys are putting on.
 
I have paid more for good conferences, it all depends on what you think you are going to get out of it. As a person in the industry I will be able to write it off on tax, to hear some of these speakers and meet others from within the industry, it is worth it.

I would and have paid good money to hear good quality locals talk too. It all hinges on what you believe you can get out of it.
 
What is it that makes you think the Americans are so much more successful than Australians at breeding animals from our country? I can't see the value in an extra $1000 compared to doing a course with some of Australias most experienced and well respected herpers.

history shows us that o/s breeders are more successful.

i think Australia's best have tried to do cheap shows in scout halls and failed. that's why the CARA conference was canned.

to bring successful breeders here to share their knowledge can only be a good thing. if you don't see the value in it for yourself, fine. but don't condemn it because it looks like a quality event to me. these breeders coming are top shelf professionals, and you can't compare the value with a talk in a scout hall or somebody's garage, with a line up as a proper convention. i am sure it will be better than anything seen in Australia before.

the fact that sponsors are getting behind it, and Peter Johnson ( very well respected Aussie ) is involved, makes me think it wont be a flop. these business people can't all be wrong.

the price is equivalent to a clutch of macs or coastals, with what you could learn, isn't that worth it.

doesn't everybody wish they could make a living out of their hobby? this sort of conference attempts to help you do that.

i can understand people thinking it's expensive, but i'm sure there are a lot of costs involved to organise such an event. if you can't aford it, don't go. but don't criticise the quality of the speakers, check out their web-sites and you'll see that they are true professionals.

hope to see you there, 'cause i'm going.
 
the fact that sponsors are getting behind it, and Peter Johnson ( very well respected Aussie ) is involved, makes me think it wont be a flop. these business people can't all be wrong.

haha, one of the sponsors is Slitherin, how many hat-eaters are out there who said he'd be a flop a couple of years ago.

there will always be people out there who think it's a waste of money to buy Johnnie Walker Blue Label when you can buy a bottle of metho and a tea bag, they just can't tell quality and the value of it.

and regarding Peter Johnson, who is a member on here, what do people think the cost of his advice would be worth if you sought it from an accountant. i'm going to pick his brains at the conference. i've had a good look at it, and it suits me fine. so i agree with snakehandler, it all hinges on what you believe you can get out of it. obviously some people don't think they can get much. the fewer people that attend, the more time i can spend making contacts and picking brains.
 
dafamatory

There is no need for such defamation. You yourself said rumour. Maybe it is a little bit of jealousy :) I can GUARANTEE you his collection DID NOT start with illegal imports. He has spent a long time building up a collection over many years.

WOW....Paul Harris....the man who (according to rumours) started his collection with illegal imports from australia...i wouldnt pay 50p to hear him speak.

(might only be rumours...but you know what they say......theres no smoke without fire!)
 
Wouldn't miss it for quids.

Can't speak for others but I've always had the view that the only way to get smarter was to pick the brains of others smarter than me. For the "smarts" I could absorb out of this calibre of speakers and the other delegates at a forum such as this, I reckon this is a good investment. Should be easier without the jet lag as well.

I used to regularly attend AVES conferences and found them great value, but I'd hardly draw a comparison between Sth Grafton Services Club and the schmick new Casino in Cairns, and I reckon the tucker would be no comparison either.

From my perspective, it's my investment as would be a new car if I bought one. If others think I pay too much, that's for them to think, but they've no place telling me. I just don't care what they think. My money to waste or invest as I please.

Might see some of you folk there. I'll be the easy one to recognize. I'll look like a sponge.
 
What is it that makes you think the Americans are so much more successful than Australians at breeding animals from our country?

think you'll find that there are some very successful aussies speaking there. Greg Miles is already listed and they have told me speakers to complement the overseas speakers will be engaged.

i am sorry for prematurely starting this thread, before the organizers announcement. a lot of people have been bagging it, i think unnecessarily.
 
Might see some of you folk there. I'll be the easy one to recognize. I'll look like a sponge.

well it don't look like Spongebob is going.

hey, on the topic of aussie speakers, peter johnson is speaking and some vets too i think i read. so there's a few.
 
My question is what makes a professional breeder a professional breeder?

Is it the amount of reptiles that they produce every year? If I produced 2000 - 5000 hatchies this year people would just say that I'm in it for the money and not the reptiles.

Is it that they work on and produce different colour morphs? Personally my favorite part of the industry.

Is it because they have been in the industry for so long? I know people that have been keeping/breeding reptiles for only a couple of years that can out talk and do better year in year out with the keeping/breeding side of things than some of the people that have been doing this for the past 20 years.

Not having a shot at anyone and I love the fact that we are getting some big names over this way, I'm just curious as to what actually makes someone a professional breeder.
 
My question is what makes a professional breeder a professional breeder?

Is it the amount of reptiles that they produce every year? If I produced 2000 - 5000 hatchies this year people would just say that I'm in it for the money and not the reptiles.

Is it that they work on and produce different colour morphs? Personally my favorite part of the industry.

Is it because they have been in the industry for so long? I know people that have been keeping/breeding reptiles for only a couple of years that can out talk and do better year in year out with the keeping/breeding side of things than some of the people that have been doing this for the past 20 years.

Not having a shot at anyone and I love the fact that we are getting some big names over this way, I'm just curious as to what actually makes someone a professional breeder.

Hi Troy, in the context of the symposium I think what they mean by professional breeder is someone that is making a living from his animals and their set up is run more as a business than a hobby.
 
Hi Troy, in the context of the symposium I think what they mean by professional breeder is someone that is making a living from his animals and their set up is run more as a business than a hobby.

probably technically spot on. but even as a hobby, it can be conducted professionally, eg professional record-keeping, hygiene, husbandry.

i'm not sure i'll be running a business, but i would like to maintain my hobby professionally.
that's what i want to get out of it.
 
this is a bit of a wind up isn't it? who would pay more than probably $100 to go to some talks, i think CARA was only about 40 wasn't it?i think someone has just gone thru the american magazine and picked out some big names, to get everyone excited. what could you get for the price. i'm with geckodan, the aves is professional and about $300, meals and everything and visits to people's aviaries.think about it, how could you pursuade all those big names to come to Australia for one conference, no expo or anything. and expect people to pay big big dollars. i think it's a gee-up, these yanks aren't coming. who is janice simpson anyway, what does she keep??? you asked yourselves that? why isn't john weigel or simon stone or danny brown or pilbara pythons or gavin bedford or any other top ozzie breeder going to be there? just think about it.its not happening. you can see straight thru it. it might even be a nigerian scam, send your money in hahaha. does the company even exist? a lot of you people haven't looked too far into it, have you?why doesn't someone do something like this proposal and make it affordable for everyone. it's a good idea but a gee-up at that price, get all the ozzie speakers i said above and some yanks. and have an expo.good joke, got a lot of bites, hey.
 
I can assure you its not a g-up,I ve been in contact with Jason from slitherin,and he said that,Bob Mailloux,Allen Rapashy,Phillippe Divojoli,Dave Nothcott,Craig Stewart,Rico Walder,will be there.So that's good enough for me.It would be very hard to better these speakers,from what I under stand never has there been such a quality line up any where in the world. its bigger than Ben Hur.As for Phillippe his just the god farther of the Reptile industry in the US.it wouldn't surprise me if alot of the tickets were sold to over seas vistors

So a big KUDOS to the organisers

IMO this can only be good for our industry
 
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