Dingos are pests?

[RemoverAccount]

Thats a pretty ignorant statement aswell. Our native species evolved with predators, the two species you may have heard of are the Tasmanian Devil and Tassie tiger. The arrival of the dingo coincided with the extinction of these species from the mainland.

If you want to know about the current ecological impacts of the dingo i suggest you look into some of Mike Letnic's work, he has studied the species pretty closely and shown that the dingo fills an ecological role which is quite important. Ecosystems with dingos are able to suport many more small mammals, this is in part becaus dingos can control medium and large size mammals which remove vegetation.

ignorant?? Maybe you should read what i wrote - not what you think i wrote!! Ill highlight the key message for you 'native species evolved without the dingo as a top predator'.

one study where??
open your eyes

 

[RemoverAccount]

Then australia has no native people? Both arrived around simialr times. How long does something have to exist in one place to be classed as 'native'?

How can you blame the 'Dingo' for wiping out all the mammals and reptiles? Given time, some predator has to play the top of the food web. If it wasn't for the Dingo's who is to say that another predator wouldn't have done the exact same thing?

You don't see so much whining about our native marsupial cats (Quolls), because they play a different roll in the ecosystem. If we all fed on crickets and small mice I bet it would be a "kill the quoll" campain. It's only because 'we' introduced sheep, cattle and chooks to feed ourselves, thousands of years after after Dingo's got here, that we consider them a pest.

Furthermore, you highlight the plight of organisms being extinct on Fraser due to predation by Dingo's. One of the latest roads on the gold coast, made over 20 species extinct in South East Queensland with a number of weeks. There's a challenge for the Dingo's hey!

So are we talking about dingos or everything but??
Maybe you should work out what your actually trying to say! A collection of words throwing mud randomly without reason isnt an argument - its just BS... keep it real brother

 

[brava]

I will slow it down for you.

You complain about how something that has been on this island for 1000's and 1000's of years isn't native. So what do you actually class as a native animal?

 

[grimbeny]

ignorant?? Maybe you should read what i wrote - not what you think i wrote!! Ill highlight the key message for you 'native species evolved without the dingo as a top predator'.

one study where??
open your eyes

Ok I guess I miss read you.

What relevance does your statement have on this discussion then?

 

[cris]

I was just watching RSPCA animal rescue, and they said that native dingos are considered a pest in QLD and if found are destroyed.

I find it absolutely disgusting that we're classing our own native wildlife as pests.

Can anyone that knows more about it explain it to me?

Declared pests are based on economic impact, wild dogs(this includes dingos) are a declared pest because they kill heaps of animals including sheep and cattle (they are worth money). In some parts of Qld you get up to $200 for killing a wild dog, very rarely it may be a pure dingo.

As pointed out dogs have been here for around 5000 years or so and have a positive ecoligical role in controlling animals such as cats and foxes (as well as killing heaps of stuff we dont want them to).

 

[zack13]

I will slow it down for you.

You complain about how something that has been on this island for 1000's and 1000's of years isn't native. So what do you actually class as a native animal?

I would say if they didnt make it here by themselves and were brought by man they cant be native. Otherwise what you are saying is cane toads and feral cats will be conidered native to australia in 4000 years.

 

[brava]

Dingos' are considered a sub species of Canus lupis.

So Canis lupis dingo, on Fraser, has genetically been seperated from all other sub species long enough for it to evolve differently. Dingo's on the man land, personally should be considered Canus lupis familiaris (or how ever its spelt) unless gentics proves otherwise.

Although there is some truth to say the that "our native spieces evolved without the dingo as the top predator," is a little short sighted. Given that statement, any new species found in Australia, and no where else should not be considered native, as the forementioned statement would have you believe.

Fact of the matter is, evolution is an ongoing process (which is why I love it), and that the dingo was present in Australia, long before European's set foot here. It is an unfair statement to blame dingo's for the extinction of cetain mammal and reptile species.

Given the statement re cane toads and domesticated (not feral as they are the same spieces), being native. If they are still here in 5000 years time, and if it can be proven that they are genetically different from the area they orginiated from, why shouldn't they be considered native?

 

[naledge]

Dingos' are considered a sub species of Canus lupis.

So Canis lupis dingo, on Fraser, has genetically been seperated from all other sub species long enough for it to evolve differently. Dingo's on the man land, personally should be considered Canus lupis familiaris (or how ever its spelt) unless gentics proves otherwise.

Although there is some truth to say the that "our native spieces evolved without the dingo as the top predator," is a little short sighted. Given that statement, any new species found in Australia, and no where else should not be considered native, as the forementioned statement would have you believe.

Fact of the matter is, evolution is an ongoing process (which is why I love it), and that the dingo was present in Australia, long before European's set foot here. It is an unfair statement to blame dingo's for the extinction of cetain mammal and reptile species.

Given the statement re cane toads and domesticated (not feral as they are the same spieces), being native. If they are still here in 5000 years time, and if it can be proven that they are genetically different from the area they orginiated from, why shouldn't they be considered native?

Everything you said made a lot of sense to me. You seem well-educated, I'm going to side with you haha.

 

[brava]

eduacted maybe.... good at spelling? hell no!

 

[Snake Catcher Victoria]

I thought the dingo arrived from Asia only about 4000 years ago.
Not 40000 years ago when the 1st aborigionals are thought to have got here..
When the dingos arrived it certainly sealed the fate of a lot of native animals at the time.

 

[naledge]

I thought the dingo arrived from Asia only about 4000 years ago.
Not 40000 years ago when the 1st aborigionals are thought to have got here..
When the dingos arrived it certainly sealed the fate of a lot of native animals at the time.

I suppose that's the way the world works though.

If we weren't here to classify different animals as 'pests' I'm sure the world would work fine.

 

[cris]

Dingos' are considered a sub species of Canus lupis.

So Canis lupis dingo, on Fraser, has genetically been seperated from all other sub species long enough for it to evolve differently. Dingo's on the man land, personally should be considered Canus lupis familiaris (or how ever its spelt) unless gentics proves otherwise.

Although there is some truth to say the that "our native spieces evolved without the dingo as the top predator," is a little short sighted. Given that statement, any new species found in Australia, and no where else should not be considered native, as the forementioned statement would have you believe.

Fact of the matter is, evolution is an ongoing process (which is why I love it), and that the dingo was present in Australia, long before European's set foot here. It is an unfair statement to blame dingo's for the extinction of cetain mammal and reptile species.

Given the statement re cane toads and domesticated (not feral as they are the same spieces), being native. If they are still here in 5000 years time, and if it can be proven that they are genetically different from the area they orginiated from, why shouldn't they be considered native?

Dingos on the mainland were virtually the same as those on fraser island before European settlement. This link is worth a read.

Dingo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for what is and isnt considered native, that is mostly up to opinion.

 

[brava]

Yes, because there was no interebreeding with the European canis sp. The argument present earlier highlights Frasier as an example.

No doubting that in arrival in Dingo's in Australia had massive biological impact. but look at the overlapping time period between Indiginous Australian's and the extinction of Megafauna.

And yes it mostly comes down to what is opinion and what can be proven.

I wouldn't reccomend highlighting wikipedia as a 'good read' though. Again my opinion.

 

[cris]

If we weren't here to classify different animals as 'pests' I'm sure the world would work fine.

The world would work fine without life or planets too.

 

[naledge]

The world would work fine without life or planets too.

Haha.

I just meant that humans are the worst introduced species and pest. Let's just live and let live.

 

[absinthe_616]

we used to own a dingo as a pet for nearly 14 years. gorgeous dog he was. very sorely missed. he got out once and came back home with a broken ribcage and a very definite boot print. then a few days later he was poisoned. completely barbaric.

i love dingos. theyre beautiful, i dont care if they are a pest.

 

[naledge]

we used to own a dingo as a pet for nearly 14 years. gorgeous dog he was. very sorely missed. he got out once and came back home with a broken ribcage and a very definite boot print. then a few days later he was poisoned. completely barbaric.

i love dingos. theyre beautiful, i dont care if they are a pest.

That's disgusting.

People can rationalize killing wild dingoes (even though I'm so against it, like culling kangaroos) but nobody can rationalize killing a pet.

 

[Brigsy]

What about the poor farmers that are trying to put food on your table? You only have too look at the Dammage that Dingoes/ wild dogs cause during calving time to have a different opinion, Alot of the time they bite the *** end out of heaps of calves which all end up dying and they dont even eat all the ones they kill.Its even worst in sheep grazing country where they can kill up too 20 a night ( thats why the bounty is up to 200 in sheep grazing areas) As been stated most of these dogs are no longer pure.

 

[JasonL]

You mean around 50 000 years ago? Thats when humans started mass destruction of our islands biodiversity.

no, I think the small numbers of humans had a right to be here and do as they wish, it's the mass amounts I have issues with.

 

[miss2]

Dingo's are an introduced animal to australia, it is said that they came over from asia.
when i worked at the zoo i specialised in dingos - i love them, they are my second fav animal next to the wolf. saying this yes they are a pest in some places.
on our property we have a dingo fence, and this has worked for many years ( we have a no rec shooting on our property) i havent seen one on our land in over 5 years.... not to say there not out there