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I'll try to restrain myself here. I've always had rotties and i am sick to death of people who walk their dog unstrained. At the end of my street is a river bank which is a large grassy area with a path winding along it. This is where i always walk my dogs. Everybody in town seems to treat it as an off leash area. I can't count the number of times i have been walking and have had to stall while people hurriedly get their dogs back on leashes when they see me coming towards them with two rotties. Their dogs are obviously not well trained enough to be off leash in the first place. I even had to drop kick a foxy out off the way one day when it came running up to attack my dogs, if i hadn't of my bitch would have eaten it (very protective of my family).
I'm sorry Allan but i'm with Fay and Amy, don't know about Qld but here it's against the law to walk a dog off leash in a public area just like owning herps without a licence. I hope your a responsible herp owner.
Serpenttongue, if you hate dogs, maybe you had better change your signature and avatar, a wolf is part of the dog family. And using the logic that dogs have no place in society, then where does that leave snakes and lizards?

Sorry, don't want to offend anyone, its just a topic that gets up my nose.

P.S. I lost my male rotty Nelson a couple of years ago and now only have my girl Hannah(10 yr. old) and what did my wife come home with......2 maltese's (well 1/4 Pomeranian). Don't bag the maltese they have their place....inside where they don't bark at everything that moves.
 
Fay, I should have mentioned that you have a lovely dog, and Lucy was awesome too.


My issue isn't with big dangerous dogs. It's with ALL dogs, as they all have the potential to bite. A dog bite is a dog bite, and to me a dog bite is pain, punctured flesh, dog saliva mixing with my blood, a trip to the doctors, stitches and an injection. I don't want this from any dog, regardless of it's size.
 
Fay, I should have mentioned that you have a lovely dog, and Lucy was awesome too.


My issue isn't with big dangerous dogs. It's with ALL dogs, as they all have the potential to bite. A dog bite is a dog bite, and to me a dog bite is pain, punctured flesh, dog saliva mixing with my blood, a trip to the doctors, stitches and an injection. I don't want this from any dog, regardless of it's size.

My dog won't bite Nick.... well he might if you shake him off your leg too hard, though then again he may like the shaking.......
 
I lost my male rotty Nelson a couple of years ago and now only have my girl Hannah(10 yr. old) and what did my wife come home with......2 maltese's (well 1/4 Pomeranian). Don't bag the maltese they have their place....inside where they don't bark at everything that moves.
Maltese and other little dogs are great if they are treated like big dogs -e.g. trained, properly exercised, and knowing their place in the household. Unfortunately, few are. My little fluff is an absolute delight, but that's because I put a lot of time into socialising him correctly and training him - just like I do with my rottie. Make sure you treat the little ones like the rottie and all will be good. Treat them like furry babies and you are headed for trouble!
 
I'm with Fay and Amy on that point - it is not a stranger's responsibility to be confident and unafraid around my dogs, or understand dog behaviour enough to know they are friendly. Neither is it the dogs' responsibility to approach, greet, play, chase, or growl at everything and everyone that we meet. I'm the boss, so it's my job to tell them the correct response in different situations. It's my job to make sure my dogs' behaviour is under my control, on-lead or off-lead, and that they aren't presenting a threat, real or perceived, to anyone. The exception for me is the thugs on the street, the middle of the night, or when I'm home alone and someone comes to the door with shady intentions. Then they can threaten :)
 
Allan, I think the point is , it is not whether the dog is vicious or not, it is the fact it is off the leash and not controlled that can put fear into anyone that is walking along. No one would have any idea whether the dog is friendly or not until it is too late. Some people have huge phobias about dogs and do have panic attacks, just as we do not know what dog will be vicious or not, you would not have any idea what person has huge problems with dogs.

I agree this is sort of what I was trying to get at, but from a different perspective I guess. I know they can be intimidating and that's why they are sort of stereotyped. People would rather be safe than sorry. In a way similar, so to speak, to public's perception of a good snake's a dead snake.

Fay, Piggo and Amy5189
I agree with you guys and Sorry I should've elaborated more, just didn't want to dribble on. I walk off leash in designated parks or areas near me that aren't built up yet. My boys are well trained, I am the boss and they know it. That's the only reason I will walk them off leash in appropriate areas. I call and they come or stop. If I see someone approaching I call the boys they come and sit, and the lead goes on.
My point of dogs thinking the jogger is instigating a game, wasn't referring to my dogs. Was just a point in general. I'm not one of the people you refer to who has to scramble to get their dogs under control and on a lead.
Although part of my point does refer to trips to the beach. The designated beach I go to is full of dogs on the weekend and I still get these reactions from people, presumably because of their breed/size, who you would assume are comfortable with dogs given they are at a dog beach. They then soon laugh at how friendly they are, comment on how well behaved they are and ask all about them.

While what I'm doing still may not be 100% correct I still agree with you all in the fact that the problem is irresponsible owners who;
1. Don't care their dog is loose.
2. Haven't put the time in to proper training for FULL control of their dogs.

Cheers,
Allan

P.S. Yes I am a responsible herp owner and (after clearing that up) a responsible dog owner:D
 
I was walking our bull arabs with my housemate at the river..on leash..all of a sudden out of nowhere 2 german shepards have rushed at us.and "wanted to play obv".lucky for me im able to tell the difference in an aggressive charge and a "i wanna play" charge....so my dogs are very well trained and sat as told and didnt react to the dogs at all..we were like..gee this is good?.we couldnt really walk away cos they thought we were playing chasey with em.and kept circling us.as the dogs ran around us barking im looking for an owner..anyone would do..sigh...then a minute later some couple walk around the corner
"oh they wont bite!" they yell out...gee i kinda fig that by now.. its not me i was worried about,i then explained to them that if it wasnt for my dogs being leashed it may of been a different encounter. oh "they don't fight other dogs was the reply.. ."sigh" thats my rant..
 
ah makes sense now. yeah didn't quite make sense the first time.
i fully agree that people in a dog off leash area should just deal with it in a way, if the dog isn't harrassing them. and i do hate stereotypes for breeds. i know a rotti who is guaranteed the biggest sook of a dog anyone could meet. the owner has just had her first baby and the owner trusts the dog with supervision of course. but little pavarotti could never hurt a fly. lol
and yes i also agree that if you haven't trained your dog you should never have it off lead. my girls have been taught to come no matter the situation and i trust (one of them ,the other is 6 months old, lol) that Binka will never run away (as she has separation anxiety)
she is a flyball dog and in the public eye a lot with demonstrations for public and competitions, so she has to be very obedient. all has gone well except for the time she ran out of the ring to go sit with a little boy and his ice cream!! :p she was hell bent on getting some ice cream that day... granted it was a hot day, lol
 
Like pythonmum, I also find owners of small dogs are up there with the worst offenders. Well at least when it comes to issues on the beach. It is as though there is a perception that the smaller the dog the less you need to train them. Nearly every incident I see on the beach is because an owner of a small dog hasn't socialised and trained the dog properly. The first time another dog approaches, the small dog gets defensive and attacks. I'm not just talking about a large dog that could be intimidating, but even 2 small dogs coming together.
I know myself and most larger dog owners put a lot of effort into training because I know what can come of it if I don't and they have a go at someone. I would like to see the same mind set instilled in small dog owners. Regardless of size you need to socialise your dog. You need to train.

Cheers,
Allan
 
A ball of fluff is a sorry excuse for a dog. I have to admit my dog goes overboard sometimes but she never leaves the lead. But now shes old she just gives up haha.
 
I want to try and explain my situation.
If I am walking down the road and see a stray I will turn around and either walk the long way or go back home.
If that isn't an option I usually just stand still or cross the road and hope the dog walks off down a side street. When I actually do cross paths with a stray it is the worse feeling for me. I shake badly, legs go like jelly and almost buckle from underneath me, and most times I just freeze and can not walk till the dog has passed. The whole time I am repeating over and over in my head " please dont bite, please don't bite, and then the negative thoughts start that it is going to bite me which makes it worse". It is really a bad situation and something I just can't control. Not so bad now as I drive everywhere these days but there is still times we unfortunately meet.

And I am the same entering a persons yard, Does your dog bite? no, are you sure?
and I usually say something like "I have my dogs smell on me" to try and cover my fear while their dog is sniffing on my leg etc and its pretty obvious when I am standing as still as a statue while the owner is walking up the yard without us lol. Scarey...And I am a keen dog keeper myself but can't stand any other dogs but my own. I have kept staffies and pitbulls for many years with no problems, but get any stray near me and I crumble. Never used to fear dogs but have been bit by a few and the fear just grew from there.

Anyone relate?
 
I can relate to this but as my post suggests, from the other side of the leash seeing this reaction in people when walking my dogs (while on leash). It's sad that a few stupid dog owners cause you, and many others, to have fears like this.
 
2 weeks ago, my dog was attacked by the staffy down the road. This is the third time this particular dog has attacked my dog. Like always, my dog was on a leash, and this staffy was free. It just ran over and straight away bit my dog's leg. My dog, being a Mal, beat the living daylights out of it and sent it packing, tail between the legs and all. In the past when this dog attacked the owners just said, "it's just making friends". I think they got a scare this time because my Mal really pinned it down and shook it, and the staffy sounded like it was dying, the way it was yelping. I (nicely) asked them to keep their dog in from now on, and I'm hopeful the message got through this time. Thankfully, neither animal was injured. My Mal just got a tiny little scratch on her nose (which annoyed me!).
 
Hopefully the staffy learnt his lesson, mouse. I've been on both the giving and receiving ends of silly dogs fights - my 6-month 30kg wolfie is an idiot and has no manners at times, and I am in the process of training her that being an antagonist doesn't get you any. It's horrible when your dog starts the fight, too, but it all a learning process for them. (because of they size of my two, I don't really have to worry about other dogs attacking them).

The wolfie and a young staffy got into a scrap down the park one afternoon, but rather than having a bit of a puppy-grumble and growl at each other, another large (notoriously aggressive) staffy and a big male golden retriever jumped on-board, and my wolfie ended up the scapegoat getting flogged by everybody :) Not a problem, she's big enough to cop it, and deserved it. However, it WAS a bit more serious when my mastiff got a bit protective of the puppy, grabbed the 35-40kg golden retriever, pinned him down and shook him by the throat :) Luckily, everyone managed to haul their dogs off to separate corners, and no one was hurt (or in the owners' case, offended :) ).

It's worth remembering that occasional controlled aggression and even fights between dogs is totally normal (particularly at a dog park, where no one is from the same pack), and a valuable lesson for younger dogs in particular.
 
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