Bring Ball Pythons to Australia

[crikey]

no but i would pay it any way if i could own like an albino green tree python or axanthic carpet wouldnt you plus once thay breed here you would get like between 10-30 hatchlings so you would make your money back any way

 

[Tristan]

It will never happen Tristan. Anything illegal whether it's drugs or animal smuggling will and can't ever be stopped.

you are quite right, and more often than not making something harder to obtain only makes it more valuable and desirable it is most defiantly a difficult line to toe, still with so many people regularly being offered exotics, i guess the difficult task is how to protect the Australian environment from exotic import disasters like cane toads

 

[Snowman]

you are quite right, and more often than not making something harder to obtain only makes it more valuable and desirable it is most defiantly a difficult line to toe, still with so many people regularly being offered exotics, i guess the difficult task is how to protect the Australian environment from exotic import disasters like cane toads

Cane toads weren't so much an exotic import disaster but rather an exotic release disaster. They were intentionally released to eat the cane beetles. A few of our ferral animals have been intentionally released. The indian myner was released to eat insects from crops. The kookaburra at Perth zoo is another good example of intentional release, just another predator for WA herps to contend with. Sometimes it isn't the private keepers who **** up for everyone....
And congrats to the pomms who brought in sparrows, starlings, black birds, turtle doves, etc back in the day to make it feel more like home... Nice work!

 

[Pythoninfinite]

no but i would pay it any way if i could own like an albino green tree python or axanthic carpet wouldnt you plus once thay breed here you would get like between 10-30 hatchlings so you would make your money back any way

You're obviously a gambler crikey... Quarantine costs would be in the thousands of dollars, if the animal had a problem discovered during quarantine, it wouldn't be 'cured', it would be destroyed, and who's to say you'll successfully breed it down the track? Counting your hatchlings before they hatch is one thing, but counting your hatchlings before eggs are laid is another thing altogether...

J

 

[hrafna]

What do you think of this one hrafna

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i can see why many would consider it pretty, but i wouldn't fork out money for it.

 

[crikey]

You're obviously a gambler crikey... Quarantine costs would be in the thousands of dollars, if the animal had a problem discovered during quarantine, it wouldn't be 'cured', it would be destroyed, and who's to say you'll successfully breed it down the track? Counting your hatchlings before they hatch is one thing, but counting your hatchlings before eggs are laid is another thing altogether...

lol its just what i would do plus i would make sure i get it of someone that has a clean collection yes iknow what you are saying and its tru but if i had the opertunity to do this i would take it thats just my opinion its ok if you wouldnt but your loss

 

[moosenoose]

Cane toads weren't so much an exotic import disaster but rather an exotic release disaster. They were intentionally released to eat the cane beetles. A few of our ferral animals have been intentionally released. The indian myner was released to eat insects from crops. The kookaburra at Perth zoo is another good example of intentional release, just another predator for WA herps to contend with. Sometimes it isn't the private keepers who **** up for everyone....
And congrats to the pomms who brought in sparrows, starlings, black birds, turtle doves, etc back in the day to make it feel more like home... Nice work!

And the odd fox and rabbit :lol:

 

[beeman]

lol its just what i would do plus i would make sure i get it of someone that has a clean collection yes iknow what you are saying and its tru but if i had the opertunity to do this i would take it thats just my opinion its ok if you wouldnt but your loss

Glad you have that sort of money to speculate on a possiable loss situation!
A close friend has just imported a dog from the USA, It spent the last 3 months in isolation in the states and now in the country it will spend another 4 weeks in isolation here. Total cost to get this animal here including Quarentine cost of approx$18000

 

[crikey]

what type of dog is it cause that is way to much for querentine my mums sister had a dog imported dog was $1000 or something like that and quarentine was $500 with no extra charge

 

[Snowman]

And the odd fox and rabbit :lol:

LOL yeah, what would this country be without releasing some ferral animals to shoot for sport.

 

[atothej09]

Mate that comments just plain ridiculous. Do a search of escaped snake threads on this site and you will see how many people lose their snakes, seems to be a couple of threads every week on the topic. Not to mention the amount of wild corn snakes that are found by snake catchers. As much as i love Ball pythons it ain't going to happen..

Thanks bump73, I did a search and saw quite a number of threads relating to lost snakes, but after a good read also noticed allot of those snakes were eventually found and returned to their enclosures. My comment ridiculous?? I don't think so, comparing Cane Toads to the odd snake being lost are two different things, but I do see your point to a degree.
I also made the comment to put it out there to Scientists etc, if they can convince me that keeping Ball Pythons could cause a major 'Cane Toad' catastrophe, then I would be dead against it, but can anyone prove it? If so, please give me the web link to where this information is so I can have a good read.
Keep the comments coming!

 

[SamNabz]

Glad you have that sort of money to speculate on a possiable loss situation!
A close friend has just imported a dog from the USA, It spent the last 3 months in isolation in the states and now in the country it will spend another 4 weeks in isolation here. Total cost to get this animal here including Quarentine cost of approx$18000

Lmfao, that's just crazy...

 

[beeman]

Lmfao, that's just crazy...

Its not crazy if you want a certain line of an animal1

We do it with Honeybees, we bring in queen stock from outside of Australia to help improve our production genetics, These queens end up costing between$4000-$6000
and we are not alowed to bring the original stock out of the quarentine station, they are sampled and tested and only if they come up clean are we allowed to graft daughters from them, Once this is done the original imported stock is destroyed!

 

[crikey]

ball pythons proberly would not survive anyway in australia if thay exscapted. and all of yous are saying look what happend with the burmese pythons in america but if yous whatch python hunters on nat geo wild on austar all of the burms are diying and its said that in like 5 years thay will be totally gone from usa and also thay have a rule that if you see a burm in usa thats in the wild you have either capture it your self or call the orthorities so thay can come and remove it so if we had some thing like this in aus that would help to control any proplem that mite come up with balls escaping

 

[bump73]

I also made the comment to put it out there to Scientists etc, if they can convince me that keeping Ball Pythons could cause a major 'Cane Toad' catastrophe, then I would be dead against it, but can anyone prove it? If so, please give me the web link to where this information is so I can have a good read.
Keep the comments coming!

I guess we should get some scientists to release them in the wild just to see what happens then. As it stands if you are serious and willing to put the money up you will have to prove they wouldn't cause a cane toad situation as you are the one trying to change the law not the other way round..

By the way what about the corn snake situation, it is a well known fact that there are populations of these around Sydney which started fromk released or escaped animals.

Ben

Thats all i have to say on the topic as amusing as these "school holiday" threads are they are just a waste of time

 

[SCam]

Great input from everyone, thanks for that. Nothing like a good debate, but I don't understand the members stating that some members are not happy with the species we have, I think ALL members are extremely happy with what we have in Australia but whats wrong with wanting to have more?
This doesn't make me greedy, just an enthusiast. Most snake keepers have their snakes under lock and key in captivity, as I am sure we do not want them to escape, so to compare them to Cane Toads is just ridiculous, not the same thing, they were deliberately released into the wild for a reason, why would you release Ball Pythons (or any exotic) into the wild??
To say 'Never' is just plain giving up, we are the people and we should have a say on what happens in our own country. There is so much that happens in our country that I do not believe or agree with, but that still happens without our approval...but that's getting too political.
People can keep all types of exotic fish, dogs, cats, birds, insects etc without issues, is that out of control?
I singled out Ball Python as my own personal choice, and I agree with other members that Boas, Retics etc are also beautiful animals, and I hope the day comes that these enthusiasts can obtain them. If certain species is proven to not survive in certain countries, then I understand why those species should be illegal. So many other countries around the world have all types of snake species without issues, why not pose the question to the public, scientists, zoologists, herp groups etc and see what the ultimate response is.
Thanks again for all the great input!

Cmon mate, you have to know that is just BS.
Yeah fair enough cane toads may have intentionally been released, but from that anything that has been introduced into Australia has just caused more problems..
People that keep corns an red eared slider turtles kept em without the intention of releasing them.. Well look where they are now, messing with our environment.
Then you get these people who want to import these different morph pythons that are actually native to Australia. like Albino BHP, zebra Jungles, jags etc. If you want these "beautiful morphs" put in the years of breeding from pure animals rather than taking the easy way out an importing or cross breeding animals..
You say "wanting exotic reptiles only makes me more of an enthusiast..)
Well mate if your such an enthusiast move to America where you can have em instead of bringin the crap here.
Cam

 

[Stevo2]

IMO if you can have a macaw without a licence legally then there should be a system for exotic reps that way they aren't smuggled into the country and there is no disease spread and the animals that are here can live long fulfilling lives.

I can't believe that any yahoo with a fat wallet can buy a macaw without a permit but if you want a Red Tailed Black Cockatoo then you need a specialist permit. It's a messed up world we live in.

Although I did talk to a bird dealer who said that in SA they are trying to move the RTB to the basic permit.

Seriously? You want to compare apples to house bricks? The permit/licence system is designed to protect our native fauna; to stop people taking RTBs, etc, from the wild. The law with regards to Exotic parrots is that the owner must be able to, if asked, provide provenance of a legal importation, or existance of lineage from the NEBRS registration scheme. The importation of Exotic parrots is also ILLEGAL. Has been for ages.

 

[crikey]

who cares if someone likes a snake from a differnt country thats ok. what is this world coming to what now peope can want some thing from another country gee, yes i would love to have a ball python and yes i would also love to have our carpets what is wrong with that. i would also like to own a some spiders from overseas what are yous all going to say that we have some of the best spiders in the world here in aus so i shouldnt wont to get one from overseas. get real people

 

[Dannyboi]

Seriously? You want to compare apples to house bricks? The permit/licence system is designed to protect our native fauna; to stop people taking RTBs, etc, from the wild. The law with regards to Exotic parrots is that the owner must be able to, if asked, provide provenance of a legal importation, or existance of lineage from the NEBRS registration scheme. The importation of Exotic parrots is also ILLEGAL. Has been for ages.

I wasn't talking about importing I am against the importation of exotics what I was talking about is the ones already here just like the exotic snakes....Rather than kill them implement a system to control/regulate them so that they aren't smuggled in as often.

 

[seanjbkorbett]

My Signature speaks for itself ..but of course if ever done,should be done legally and properly quarantined, enough so we can establish a pet trade population to reduce any importing at all...Also i think a study should be taken befor they decide which exotics would pose a threat.. E.g Leopard Tortoise, green iguana's,certain species of chameleons,some gecko's and of course some snakes,i believe couldn't pose a threat to our environment. dont get me wrong tho,Australia does have some of the best looking pythons species!..did i mention the MADDEST Varanid species..