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I must clarify and apologise for any legitimate dole recipients, particularly those with children. I live in one of the most socially disadvantaged cities in Australia and my observations/opinions are made from my interactions with these disadvantaged people. I'm sure most families living on the dole have children that are perfectly mannered, loving and caring.

For those who are truly dole bludgers, I offer no apology.
 
There's also a thing called working credits. You can acquire 1000 credits and when you get a job you get you jobs pay plus full centrelink pay until all those credits are gone and they take 48 a fortnight so it doesn't take long
 
I have been on and off the dole now for the past year, the work I do is seasonal and for months at a time I could work 5 days a week and 40+ hours in that week, but then there could be a few weeks or even a month where I am only working around 20 hours a week and sometimes less. So I have stayed on the dole and declared all of my earnings just so I still get some money from the government when I earn below the threshold to survive in those 'down' times. That meant that I still needed to go to all the meetings at Centrelink and whatever job agency they assign me to, this also meant that I was expected to go in every second monday for an hour and use their computers to look for work (even though I had a job and a computer at home). If I didn't do this they would cut my payments off completely and I would have to start from scratch. So because I work I was forever ringing up saying that I couldn't attend any meetings that was expected to go to, the employment agency didn't like this and threatened to get Centrelink to cut me off completely unless I started taking days off work to attend their 'important' job search meetings! I couldn't believe this, they are meant to be helping people find jobs and keeping them in work yet they are punishing me for doing the right thing and never actually offered me a single job opportunity in that year... At that point I told them where to go, with a few nasty words thrown in and will now endevour to survive without Centrelink in the quiet times when there isn't much work. However, if I can find a permanent full-time job I will take it!
 
Work for the Dole. Simple, they turn up somewhere to do a bit of work, volunteer, whatever. If they don't turn up for it then they don't get the dole.

That's what you would think, but they don't really work for it...
I dunno about all places, but my partner was on the dole for a bit. He broke his ankle, and when it was fixed, he had problems getting work.
He hates sitting around doing nothing. Always has to be doing something.
When he did the work for the dole progamm, they were building a retianing wall and pulling out weeds and the instructor told him to slow down with the work, or they (I'm assuming he meant his bigger bosses) would expect that much done all the time, and he'd make the others look bad

I also believe that there should be something more to help the mothers get back in to work.
I receieve parenting payments, but barely enough to live on, and I want to go back to work.
However, everyone tells me I'm underqualified or overqualified (they want people who they can pretty much leave to run the place, or school kids that they can pay next to nothing)
I want to get my diploma (which I can't afford), So I spoke to Centrelink.
To get it, I'd have to go on newstart, cutting my payments almost in half, but they would cover the course.(dunno how we are supposed to survive, but at least I'd be qualified),
I don't get why they can't help the parents who want to go back to work too, to get off the payments
 
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And as far as the dole being easier, I don't know what it is like where you live but here you have to go for interviews with a job network case worker every fortnight, miss one appointment and your suspended.

Oh my god you have to show up once a fortnight:shock: That must be so hard I really feel for you, I guess all of us working full time don't realise how easy we have it having to show up at least five days a week:rolleyes::lol::lol:

Ben
 
the dole is 440 a fortnight wow, they are really living it up and partying on with the average rent being 200 and power going up 30% they really have it easy,
1 third of the Australian population are under the poverty line lets kick the dole away and make it 2/3rds
the percent of "dole bludgers" are minimal, my understanding is that 1 you have to sign 2 agreements 1 saying you will look for
a minimum of 4 different jobs a week for centerlink and sign up to a job network at the job network you sign one with them saying you will look for 10 jobs a week for them, then you have 6 short coursed to do including resume updates,cold canvasing, job seeking tactics
cold calling, interview techniques and advancing job outlook (making you more employable)
after those are done you have to either further your education travel at least 90 mins away from your home to look for work.
these are renewed ever month.
its not like you can get money every 2 weeks for doing sweet fk all also its equivalent to 2 payed days a week, and after 3 months u have to do either work for the dole or work at a charity at leat 2 days a week or your cut off.
so in essence if you cant find work in 3 months you MUST work 2 days a week to EARN your payment.
also people on the dole pay 20 a week in TAX.
 
why should i pay my taxes to keep someone that wants to be something they cant. if your unemployed take any job till something better comes up. your more employable if you have a job than not having one. if i had my choice there wouldnt be the dole or anything else you wish to call it
 
why should i pay my taxes to keep someone that wants to be something they cant. if your unemployed take any job till something better comes up. your more employable if you have a job than not having one. if i had my choice there wouldnt be the dole or anything else you wish to call it
ok then when you get the sack or your company goes under or u stuff up, DONT SIGN UP see how you go with ZERO income, fool.
take away the dole and watch crime increase 500% minimum.
 
ok then when you get the sack or your company goes under or u stuff up, DONT SIGN UP see how you go with ZERO income, fool.
take away the dole and watch crime increase 500% minimum.

so im a fool am i? is there a need to get personal? maybe your one of the scum that live on the dole and with all your spare time you fill it in by ripping some poor hard working person off. crime will allways be about, but its ok if you want to find another excuse for these lazy dole bludgers and the jobs they fill their time in with. get a real job and pay some tax instead of thinking the country should keep you because you cant be bothered helping yourself
 
actually i run my own photography shop,
i would bet i pay more tax than you the only scum here is
uneducated fools who think they know it all because they read 1 or 2 news stories
how about you read some of the info on REAL centerlink payments and the rules the "bludgers" have to abide by.
there is FOI for a reason the main one being that it allows people to access information untainted by mass media and political agenda.
as stated previously, 220 a week isnt Ripping off the government what ripping off really is, is this, when we give billions to Indonesia/Pakistan/India etc etc to help people in disasters only to hand it openly to the criminals in each country leaving the people in devastation.
then having a disaster here in Australia and giving them (our own tax paying working aussies ) sweet FA
before you start taking away from the bottom 1/3rd of the country and increasing crime, hate and poverty in a "lucky" country,
why not make the top 5% of the wealth owners pay their fair share!
 
so im a fool am i? is there a need to get personal? maybe your one of the scum that live on the dole and with all your spare time you fill it in by ripping some poor hard working person off. crime will allways be about, but its ok if you want to find another excuse for these lazy dole bludgers and the jobs they fill their time in with. get a real job and pay some tax instead of thinking the country should keep you because you cant be bothered helping yourself

You really have no idea do you?
 
actually i run my own photography shop,
i would bet i pay more tax than you the only scum here is
uneducated fools who think they know it all because they read 1 or 2 news stories
how about you read some of the info on REAL centerlink payments and the rules the "bludgers" have to abide by.
there is FOI for a reason the main one being that it allows people to access information untainted by mass media and political agenda.
as stated previously, 220 a week isnt Ripping off the government what ripping off really is, is this, when we give billions to Indonesia/Pakistan/India etc etc to help people in disasters only to hand it openly to the criminals in each country leaving the people in devastation.
then having a disaster here in Australia and giving them (our own tax paying working aussies ) sweet FA
before you start taking away from the bottom 1/3rd of the country and increasing crime, hate and poverty in a "lucky" country,
why not make the top 5% of the wealth owners pay their fair share!

Nice socialist attitude - distribute the wealth from the rich to the poor and make everyone equal. The rich are usually rich because they choose to get an education and reap the benefits. There are the other rich people that work hard, sacrifice and save to be wealthy. I have the greatest respect for the latter and do not think that they should pay more than the already do to pay those who choose not to work. They already contribute far more towards society than their dole receiving counterparts.
 
actually i run my own photography shop,
i would bet i pay more tax than you the only scum here is
uneducated fools who think they know it all because they read 1 or 2 news stories
how about you read some of the info on REAL centerlink payments and the rules the "bludgers" have to abide by.
there is FOI for a reason the main one being that it allows people to access information untainted by mass media and political agenda.
as stated previously, 220 a week isnt Ripping off the government what ripping off really is, is this, when we give billions to Indonesia/Pakistan/India etc etc to help people in disasters only to hand it openly to the criminals in each country leaving the people in devastation.
then having a disaster here in Australia and giving them (our own tax paying working aussies ) sweet FA
before you start taking away from the bottom 1/3rd of the country and increasing crime, hate and poverty in a "lucky" country,
why not make the top 5% of the wealth owners pay their fair share!

why should i pay more because i make the effort and work so i get ahead in life. you may run your own business, but think how much better off you would be if your taxes were lower because you werent paying for others that couldnt be bothered getting off their bums and having ago. i struggle to pay two homes off, put up with some scum ripping me off. maybe if i didnt have to pay as much tax i wouldnt have to struggle as much while the dole bludgers had the dole taken from them had to find a job. if your idea is right why not give them more on the dole so theres no crime? it wont work because most are greedy and dont care about others

You really have no idea do you?

probably not. but then ive probably got as much of an idea as you. we all have or own opinions dont we. so what makes my idea wrong and yours right?
 
probably not. but then ive probably got as much of an idea as you. we all have or own opinions dont we. so what makes my idea wrong and yours right?

Firstly I am going to say that I am also against dole 'bludgers' and I know that there are a lot out there. However, through growing up in a small town where permanent jobs are scarce (even if you do have many qualifications) that Centrelink plays an important role in helping those out that are actually actively looking for work or working casually and not earning enough to support themselves. Also what happens to those that are made redundant? They cannot always just fall straight into another job... How are they expected to survive whilst they are looking for a new job, especially if they are only qualified in that one position? Secondly, I don't want to sound racist but in the town that I grew up in there was a large aboriginal population and many jobs were advertised by the job agencies as 'indigenous only' in an attempt to get the aboriginals into full time positions. The indigenous weren't interested in these jobs and were much happier to just live off their government payments, whereas those that were willing to work are stuck on the dole because they are not 'eligable' for these jobs when they would much prefer to be out in the workforce.
 
the top 5% of wealth owners in Australia are proven tax dodgers and loop hole users because they can afford to hire QC's and top flight accountants.
also after the liberal leadership, education was killed off for poorer people, creating a low educated, low payed workforce. they also brought in the GST after the quote "there will NEVER be a GST when im voted in" then didnt lower already inplace taxes to offset the GST , then the liberals also brought in baby bonus to get people to breed knowing only the poorest will breed to keep the cheap labor force coming, then gave more than 50% of the education funding to high end PRIVATE schools then made the university's of Australia a business not an education center and making the next generation of pooer people unable to access uni and ones that do have a hard time knowing they leave uni with massive hex debit to repay thats if they get in because between spots reserved for private school leavers and new Australians its very hard to get in.
this leaves a large portion of the bottom 3rd of the population with VERY limited resources to gain long term permanent employment.
sure their are a few dole bludgers but in the grand scheme of it its a small price to pay for having a very small security net for the vast majority of us to fall on if we lose our job.
the simple fact is this
if you lost your job would u like it if th government didnt have the dole and left you high and dry to lose it all and end up homeless until you find a job?
i very much doubt it.
 
why should i pay my taxes to keep someone that wants to be something they cant. if your unemployed take any job till something better comes up. your more employable if you have a job than not having one. if i had my choice there wouldnt be the dole or anything else you wish to call it

ohh geez, and what about people like myself who will never be in their dream job because of a stupid disability. FFS i can't even be in the passengers seat of a *****ing ambulance as a non-urgent patient transfer officer because i'll never drive. it's gits like you wranga that piss me off no end because of your lack of understanding as to why most people are on centrelink payments and your ability to be judge and jury all at once and label us.

it's not a matter of just taking any job, have a look in the paper and actually read what the job advertisments say or on line i'll give you an idea
SEEK - Sales Person - Full Time Position Job in Adelaide

i have been job hunting for 6yrs and had a cleaning job but in those jobs you can't get sick because you risk losing your job like i did (had my appendix out)
so until you get a grasp on peoples situations and understand why they're on payments, shut ya pie hole and go afk unless its contructive because people like me are sick of being put in the 'lazy twats' group when there's clearly a reason we can't get jobs!

only standing up for those with a disablitiy and that wanna work! Gods sakes!
 
This is one thred where you will never get agreement on anything!

On one side you have the so called disadvantaged people and on the other the working tax payer.

I for one have NEVER been out of work for any longer that 2 days, Why because i will work at anything to keep the $$$$ comming in and not sit back and piss and moan because i cant have the job i want.

I will conceed there are a few exceptions but they are in the minority not the majority, There are some genuine needs out there.

Where i live and have done all my life i have seen the development of 3 generations that have never worked a day in their lives but seem to think that the government owes them a living, Now who funds the government? Yes those gready people like myself and my family that work 70 hour weeks and pay large amounts of tax.

There is plenty of work out there for those that want to get ahead and not be reliant on the system you just have to be willing to have a crack at what ever comes up untill a further opportunities arise.
 
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I'm sure you've read into the comment way too far. People with disabilities do have issues getting jobs. It's the completely able bodied people that cbf working that I agree with wranga's comments. Am I in my dream job? No, will I ever be ? No. Due to eyesight issues I could never be in my dream job. I left school worked for a casual employment agency, rather than go on centrelink. Put myself through tafe to further my chance of getting an apprenticeshipand walked into s job before I finished my tafe course. Others that were on centerlink payments got put through the course free of charge ontop of getting paid to do it. I was almost 2k down with fees textbooks compulsory uniform and tools to do my course. The able bodied bludgers that cbf working should lose their payments imo
 
hey i pay tax! i dunno about other states but in SA no tax is taken out of your payments, i chose to have it taken out as a means of saving knowing i have HELP fees of up to $15,000 to pay for, half of everything car related like big services and the rego which is like nearly $700 for a year so and my employment network have said the types of jobs i can apply for because of the various medical conditions i have.
 
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