@Recharge, or anyone else that cares to answer. Does being BI mean you can love both men and women emotionaly or is it purely a physical thing? Obviously for gay people it runs a lot deeper than just physical attraction.
I gather that a lot of gay guys and gals had hetero relationships before they decided to be true with themselves and their sexuality, did any of you love your hetero partners in the same sense as you love your gay partners?
that steve1 varies person to person, some can and some its just sexual attraction, even if one has feelings, one cannot always get out of social and paternal training in social interaction in society.
many a person has married or chosen to be with someone for other reasons than love.
I have loved frieds as strongly as I have partners in the past, it is different, but it can be just as strong, sometimes there is little difference at all.
some say love and friendship are worlds apart, that isn't so for all of us, different people experience such emotional connection in different ways
it depends on MANY factors, both biologically and from how and who you are.
This poll is interesting... 2063 for gay marriage and 11552 against!
that is in no way indicative of anything much, the courtier mail has a track record of not exactly being truthful in news for a start
also, the population of Brisbane alone is over a million, the country 25ish million 15,000 votes is not even a percent.
you cant' exactly take this to a referendum either, it stands too far within basic human rights, and could lead a precedent of scary proportions.
either way, a secular government should have no power to decide who can or cannot get married (within a connecting adult union) even polygamy in my books, if people want to do it, they should be able to at their own risk (except for forced marriage on any religious or cultural grounds)
My reasons are hard to put into words I have touched on them in previous posts but I'll try and elaborate further.
Will you agree that depression, suicide, drug abuse, victimization, harrasment and discrimination are all higher amongst gay people, in particularly men?
yes, but this is a casual relationship, it is not indicative of the wider gay community, it is simply reported on more. you could just as easily parallel strait foot ball night clubs to reflect wider society as a whole, which you can easily see, isn't fair at all.
Now bring a child with no say in how they are bought up into the equation. From experience (I'm a father) I know that at 4and 5yo they are already getting an understanding of what society sees as normal, most have a mum and dad, they regularly see hetero couples on TV and while out shopping, they set up families with dolls and teddys etc etc.
Before they have even walked into a class room they have probably already asked why they don't have either a mum or a dad, The parents even with best intentions on bringing up their child, in a round abouts way (we are talking too 5yos) go's on to explains that although a little bit different from most families we are still normal, which is fine until they go to class and introduce their dads to their friends, who in turn go home and tell their parents that their new class mate has same sex parents, which quite likely results in muttered words in front of that child that would be considered highly offensive to gay people, the child then takes this back to the school yard, tells the other kids what his parents said and the cycle of bullying, confusion, possible drug abuse etc etc begins.
you could easily substitute colour of skin for sexuality in this case, even today, or religious beliefs or a few other things, all of which are combated with education, as it becomes more accepted and de vilified, there are less cases of bullying and other childhood problems, this is one of the most common arguments and also one of the silly, as almost all children are bullied as some point, content doesn't lessen or alter the harm to the child, it's only preconception of adults when the ponder the matter that changes the perceived level of damage.
You can tell me all you like that you will bring up kids in a loving and open minded environment etc,etc but as a parent myself I don't see why you would want to get your child of to that kind of start in life.
discrimination and persecution based on sexuality is wrong, but unfortunately it's a fact of life and a gay couple that brings a child into that environment is going to be a party to that childs suffering.
There are reasons for the high rates of depression/suicide etc among gay men and they're the same reasons that a child is at greater risk of developing these problems if they're subjected to the same treatment
i KNOW i WOULDN'T HAVE LIKED GROWING UP THE SON OF TWO DADS
so are you saying any society group that are vilified or seen in a negative light shouldn't have children lest their children be harassed really, THINK about it, it's the same thing, regardless of reason, it's people who are picked on because they are different or act different or live different, if no one ever had children because of this, we wouldn't even BE a species, we'd have died out long ago.
people have children because they want to share their love and experience with a new generation, to try and shape and change society and continue evolution to some degree (though can and does have as big an impact as generics at this point of evolution).
i KNOW i WOULDN'T HAVE LIKED GROWING UP THE SON OF TWO DADS
you know that as you stand now, if you had grown up with it, you wouldn't even know.
heck, you may just as easily say the opposite depending on your parents.
People that want to look after kids, but know the child would be ridiculed because they are looking after them, should take a step back and think.
so every single parent in the entire world then?
LOL sorry dude, you really didn't think that one through very well.
