WA is asking for your help!!!!!!!!!

[Firedrake]

I want at least pygmy pythons and RSP allowed and maybe drop everything on your basic lists to our basic, and maybe have a rule like SA and have say beardies, blueys and other very basic critters off license or on a free one for the first say one or two animals.

Oh and CENTRAL netteds seeing as they live here -_-

 

[Snowman]

Some people in WA already have jungles on reg 16 license apparently.

 

[Waterrat]

What WA keepers want is the chance to keep reptiles that are native to WA that other states keep.

Don't settle for less - this is a rare opportunity to hit them hard. You might as well go for broke. You can always pick up the crumbs if you don't succeed.

 

[RickLeekong]

Don't settle for less - this is a rare opportunity to hit them hard. You might as well go for broke. You can always pick up the crumbs if you don't succeed.

thats basically my mentality on this situation, get what you can because it will be a long time befoe we get another look into, hit them hard i say.

 

[andysnakes]

done

 

[Sinners121]

What do people from WA want to have available to them the most, personally i would love bearded dragons, bredil, jungle and diamond pythons the most, id be grateful just for bearded dragons

some more monitors, well heaps more monitors would love the mertens and perentie also thorny devil ( i know hard to keep but i would put the effort in )

 

[RickLeekong]

some more monitors, well heaps more monitors would love the mertens and perentie also thorny devil ( i know hard to keep but i would put the effort in )

OMG yes thorny devils would be great fun to have i like it.

 

[varanus]

Sent

 

[MiddleOfNowhere]

All the support from other states is very much appreciated.
Just wanted to quickly mention that Thorny Devils on the list is a horrible idea. They may look awesome but the time and effort for people to put in to keep them alive and happy is massive, and i think that too many would die. People might think they have the time to feed them 1000+ ants everyday, but when you think about your other pets, work, social life, sleep, holidays, school work (tafe & uni included), etc, you would quickly realise it was a bad idea. Just enjoy these little guys in the wild (or zoo), and take lots of photos. Lets stick to herps that are a bit more realistic to keep in captivity.

MON

 

[Snowman]

Don't worry Mon. No one would ever ask to have them added to the list. They definitely weren't on the submission to DEC

 

[RickLeekong]

All the support from other states is very much appreciated.
Just wanted to quickly mention that Thorny Devils on the list is a horrible idea. They may look awesome but the time and effort for people to put in to keep them alive and happy is massive, and i think that too many would die. People might think they have the time to feed them 1000+ ants everyday, but when you think about your other pets, work, social life, sleep, holidays, school work (tafe & uni included), etc, you would quickly realise it was a bad idea. Just enjoy these little guys in the wild (or zoo), and take lots of photos. Lets stick to herps that are a bit more realistic to keep in captivity.

MON

yes your probably right

 

[Sinners121]

All the support from other states is very much appreciated.
Just wanted to quickly mention that Thorny Devils on the list is a horrible idea. They may look awesome but the time and effort for people to put in to keep them alive and happy is massive, and i think that too many would die. People might think they have the time to feed them 1000+ ants everyday, but when you think about your other pets, work, social life, sleep, holidays, school work (tafe & uni included), etc, you would quickly realise it was a bad idea. Just enjoy these little guys in the wild (or zoo), and take lots of photos. Lets stick to herps that are a bit more realistic to keep in captivity.

MON

yea in realise though i have heard of people starting colonies of ants than running trails through the encolsure (outside) and therefore supplying the needed amount of ants. apart from that apparently they are easy to keep mainly just need large space (due to the few colonies of ants needed and outside enclosure for the thorny devils)

 

[elogov]

I Honestly hope your joking?, your contemplating keeping thorny devils which are restricted from all states on a regular licence for a reason. over something you "heard"? Keep on topic & be realistic, i support what this letter represents so please don't make me regret it. ( email sent from 4+ different family members.)

yea in realise though i have "HEARD" of people starting colonies of ants than running trails through the encolsure (outside) and therefore supplying the needed amount of ants. apart from that "APPARENTLY they are easy to keep" mainly just need large space (due to the few colonies of ants needed and outside enclosure for the thorny devils)

 

[MiddleOfNowhere]

Don't worry Mon. No one would ever ask to have them added to the list. They definitely weren't on the submission to DEC

Hey Snowman, I know that you guys wouldn't jeoprodise our biggest chance at change in the system by requesting Thorny Devils. They were, and are still very high on my list to find in the Goldfields, I was lucky enough to have a good mate of mine find one and give me the chance to photograph it, hence my avatar. I am just hanging out to find one myself in the wild.

I am getting a couple of workmates to send through the emails as well.

MON

 

[RickLeekong]

WA current keepers list.

Category 1
No species.
Category 2
Scientific name Common name
1. Egernia napoleonis South-Western Crevice Egernia
2. Gehyra variegata Tree Dtella
3. Heteronotia binoei Binoe’s Gecko
4. Litoria caerulea Northern Green Tree Frog
5. Litoria moorei Western Green Tree Frog
6. Pogona minor minor Western Bearded Dragon
7. Strophurus ciliaris Northern Spiny-tailed Gecko
8. Strophurus spinigerus South-west Spiny-tailed Gecko
9. Tiliqua multifasciata Centralian Bluetongue
10. Tiliqua occipitalis Western Bluetongue
11. Tiliqua rugosa rugosa Bobtail
Category 3
Scientific name Common name
12. Antaresia stimsoni Stimson’s Python
13. Chelodina oblonga Oblong Tortoise
14. Ctenophorus reticulatus Western Netted Dragon
15. Egernia kingii King Skink
16. Litoria splendida Magnificent Tree Frog
17. Morelia spilota imbricata South-western Carpet Python
18. Nephrurus levis Three-lined Knob-tailed Gecko
19. Oedura marmorata Marbled Velvet Gecko
20. Underwoodisaurus milii Thick-tailed Gecko
21. Varanus caudolineatus Stripe-tailed Pygmy Monitor
Category 4
Scientific name Common name
22. Aspidites melanocephalus Black-headed python
23. Aspidites ramsayi Woma Python
24. Chelodina steindachneri Flat-shelled Turtle
25. Chlamydosaurus kingi Frilled Lizard
26. Heleioporus albopunctatus Western Spotted Frog
27. Lophognathus longirostris Long-nosed Ta-ta Dragon
28. Varanus acanthurus Ridge-tailed Monitor
29. Varanus brevicauda Short-tailed Pygmy Monitor
30. Varanus tristis tristis Black-tailed Monitor
Category 5
Scientific name Common name
31. Acanthopis antarcticus Southern Death Adder
32. Acanthopis pyrrhus Desert Death Adder
33. Acanthopis wellsi Pilbara Death Adder
34. Liasis olivaceus Olive Python
35. Notechis scutatus Tiger Snake
36. Pseudechis australis Mulga Snake
37. Pseudechis butleri Spotted Mulga Snake
38. Pseudonaja affinis affinis Dugite
39. Pseudonaja nuchalis Gwardar
40. Varanus gouldii Gould’s Monitor
41. Varanus rosenbergi Southern Heath Monitor

COMPARED TO SAY.......

NSW Keeping list
Turtles
E2018 Chelodina canni Cann’s Snake-necked Turtle
C2017 Chelodina longicollis Snake-necked Turtle
G2019 Chelodina oblonga Oblong Turtle
Y2028 Elseya dentata Northern Snapping Turtle
K2029 Elseya latisternum Saw-shelled Turtle
Y2776 Elusor macrurus Mary River Turtle
E2034 Emydura macquarii Murray Short-necked Turtle
T2031 Emydura macquarii dharra Macleay River Turtle
T2039 Emydura macquarii dharuk Sydney Basin Turtle
T2002 Emydura macquarii emmotti Emmott’s Short-necked Turtle
T2032 Emydura macquarii gunabarra Hunter River Turtle
C2033 Emydura macquarii kreffti Krefft’s Short-necked Turtle
G2035 Emydura macquarii signata Brisbane River Turtle
Q2020 Macrochelodina rugosa Northern Snake-necked Turtle
Dragons
T2037 Amphibolurus burnsi Burns’ Dragon
E2246 Amphibolurus gilberti Gilbert’s Dragon
M2194 Amphibolurus muricatus Jacky Lizard
Z2195 Amphibolurus nobbi Nobbi Dragon
Y2248 Amphibolurus temporalis Swamplands Dragon
Q2196 Ctenophorus nuchalis Central Netted Ground-dragon
W2199 Ctenophorus pictus Painted Ground-dragon
Z2223 Diporiphora australis Tommy Roundhead
C2245 Hypsilurus spinipes Southern Forest Dragon
A2252 Physignathus lesueurii Water Dragon
K2177 Pogona barbata Common Bearded Dragon
G2775 Pogona henrylawsoni Downs Bearded Dragon
G2191 Pogona minor minima Western Bearded Dragon
Y2192 Pogona minor minor Dwarf Bearded Dragon
Y2204 Pogona vitticeps Central Bearded Dragon
E2182 Rankinia diemensis Mountain Heath Dragon
Monitors
G2263 Varanus acanthurus Spiney-tailed Monitor
Q2268 Varanus gilleni Pygmy Mulga Monitor
G2271 Varanus gouldii Sand Monitor
M2282 Varanus tristis Black-Headed Monitor
Skinks
A2464 Acritoscincus platynotum Red-throated Skink
W2331 Cryptoblepharus virgatus Cream-striped Wall Skink
W2375 Ctenotus robustus Eastern Striped Skink
E2386 Ctenotus taeniolatus Copper-tailed Skink
M2574 Cyclodomorphus casuarinae Tasmanian She-oak Skink
Z2575 Cyclodomorphus gerrardii Pink-tongued Skink
T2005 Cyclodomorphus michaeli Mainland She-oak Skink
Y2408 Egernia cunninghami Cunningham’s Skink
W2411 Egernia frerei Major Skink
A2412 Egernia hosmeri Hosmer’s Skink
C2413 Egernia inornata Desert Skink
E2414 Egernia kingii King’s Skink
K2417 Egernia major Land Mullet
Z2419 Egernia modesta Eastern Ranges Rock-skink
K2425 Egernia saxatilis Black Rock Skink
Z2427 Egernia stokesii Gidgee Skink
Q2428 Egernia striolata Tree Skink
E2430 Egernia whitii White’s Skink
S2437 Eremiascincus fasciolatus Narrow-banded Sand-swimmer
U2438 Eremiascincus richardsonii Broad-banded Sand-swimmer
K2557 Eulamprus quoyii Eastern Water Skink
Z2559 Eulamprus tenuis Barred-sided Skink
M2450 Lampropholis delicata Garden Skink
Z2451 Lampropholis guichenoti Grass Skink
G2475 Lerista bougainvillii South-eastern Slider
W2519 Menetia greyii Common Dwarf Skink
U2526 Morethia boulengeri South-eastern Morethia Skink
U2578 Tiliqua nigrolutea Blotched Blue-tongue
Z2583 Tiliqua rugosus Shingleback
Y2580 Tiliqua scincoides Common Blue-tongue
Legless Lizards
U2170 Lialis burtonis Burton’s Snake-Lizard
E2174 Pygopus lepidopodus Common Scaly-Foot
G2175 Pygopus nigriceps Western Scaly-Foot
Geckoes
M2126 Christinus marmoratus Marbled Southern Gecko
Z2071 Diplodactylus steindachneri Box-patterned Gecko
C2077 Diplodactylus vittatus Eastern Stone Gecko
C2085 Gehyra australis Top-end Dtella
U2082 Gehyra dubia Dubious Dtella
A2092 Gehyra variegata Variegated Dtella
A2104 Hemidactylus frenatus Asian House Gecko
C2105 Heteronotia binoei Bynoe’s Gecko
E2106 Heteronotia spelea Desert Cave Gecko
K2109 Lucasium damaeum Beaded Gecko
K2777 Nephrurus amyae Centralian Rough Knob-tailed Gecko
U2110 Nephrurus asper Prickly Knob-tailed Gecko
W2111 Nephrurus laevissimus Pale Knob-tailed Gecko
A2112 Nephrurus levis Smooth Knob-tailed Gecko
M2778 Nephrurus sheai Northern Rough Knob-tailed Gecko
C2113 Nephrurus stellatus Starred Knob-tailed Gecko
Y2116 Oedura castelnaui Northern Velvet Gecko
K2117 Oedura coggeri Northern Spotted Velvet Gecko
G2131 Oedura filicipoda Fringe-toed Velvet Gecko
M2118 Oedura lesueurii Lesueur’s Velvet Gecko
Z2119 Oedura marmorata Marbled Velvet Gecko
A2120 Oedura monilis Ocellated Velvet Gecko
G2123 Oedura robusta Robust Velvet Gecko
Y2124 Oedura tryoni Southern Spotted Velvet Gecko
S2129 Phyllurus platurus Broad-tailed Gecko
Q2128 Saltuarius cornutus Northern Leaf-tail Gecko
E2130 Saltuarius salebrosus Rough-throated Leaf-tail Gecko
E2687 Saltuarius swaini Southern Leaf-tailed Gecko
K2053 Strophurus ciliaris Northern Spiny-tailed Gecko
W2059 Strophurus intermedius Southern Spiny-tailed Gecko
W2075 Strophurus taenicauda Golden Spiny-tailed Gecko
E2078 Strophurus williamsi Eastern Spiny-tailed Gecko
U2138 Underwoodisaurus milii Thick-tailed Gecko
Snakes - non-venomous species
G2619 Antaresia childreni Children’s Python
U2818 Antaresia maculosa Spotted Python
U2622 Antaresia perthensis Pygmy Python
W2819 Antaresia stimsoni Stimson’s Python
Q2612 Aspidites melanocephalus Black-headed Python
C2633 Dendrelaphis punctulata Common Tree Snake
Q2620 Liasis mackloti Water Python
S2621 Liasis olivaceus Olive Python
C2825 Morelia spilota Carpet Python (only for “subspecies” not known)
W2623 Morelia s. bredli Centralian Carpet Python
T2023 Morelia s. cheynei Jungle Carpet Python
T2029 Morelia s. imbricata Western Carpet Python
T2024 Morelia s. mcdowelli Eastern Carpet Python
T2025 Morelia s. mcdowelli / spilota Carpet/Diamond Python (natural intergrade)
T2026 Morelia s. metcalfei Murray/Darling Carpet Python
T2027 Morelia s. spilota Diamond Python
T2028 Morelia s. variegata Top End Carpet Python
M2638 Stegonotus cucullatus Slaty-grey Snake
Snakes - mildly-venomous species
U2630 Boiga irregularis Eastern Brown Tree Snake
T2036 Boiga i. fusca Northern Brown Tree Snake
W2711 Brachyurophis australis Australian Coral Snake
M2646 Cacophis krefftii Southern Dwarf Crowned Snake
Z2647 Cacophis squamulosus Golden-crowned Snake
Z2655 Demansia psammophis Yellow-faced Whipsnake
Y2660 Denisonia devisi De Vis’ Banded Snake
S2665 Drysdalia coronoides White-lipped Snake
K2805 Drysdalia rhodogaster Mustard-bellied Snake
C2669 Furina diadema Red-naped Snake
U2674 Hemiaspis signata Black-bellied Swamp Snake
M2726 Parasuta dwyeri Dwyer’s Snake
U2014 Carettochelys insculpta Pig-nosed Turtle
S2021 Chelodina steindachneri Flat-shelled Short-necked Turtle
T2013 Elseya belli Bell’s Turtle
T2018 Elseya irwinii Yellow-headed Snapping Turtle
T2019 Elseya lavarackorum Lavarack’s Turtle
T2020 Elseya tanybaraga Northern Yellow-faced Turtle
T2022 Emydura australis North-west Red-faced Turtle
Y2036 Emydura subglobosa Painted Short-necked Turtle
K2037 Emydura victoriae Northern Red-faced Turtle
T2034 Emydura sp. Leichhardt River Short-necked Turtle
T2030 Macrochelodina burrungandjii Sandstone Long-necked Turtle
A2016 Macrochelodina expansa Broad-shelled Snake-necked Turtle
K2045 Rheodytes leukops Fitzroy Turtle
Geckoes
S2049 Cyrtodactylus louisiadensis Ring-tailed Gecko
S2057 Diplodactylus galeatus Mesa Gecko
W2083 Gehyra montium Centralian Dtella
Z2135 Pseudothecadactylus lindneri Northern Giant Cave Gecko
T2001 Saltuarius wyberba Granite Leaf-tailed Gecko
Z2055 Strophurus elderi Jewelled Gecko
W2139 Underwoodisaurus sphyrurus Granite Belt Thick-tailed Gecko
Monitors
K2733 Varanus baritji Black-spotted Spiny-tailed Monitor
Y2264 Varanus brevicauda Short-tailed Pygmy Monitor
K2265 Varanus caudolineatus Stripe-tailed Monitor
Z2267 Varanus giganteus Perentie
Y2272 Varanus indicus Mangrove Monitor
Q2284 Varanus kingorum Long-tailed Rock Monitor
K2273 Varanus mertensi Mertens’ Water Monitor
M2274 Varanus mitchelli Mitchell's Water Monitor
S2285 Varanus panoptes Yellow-spotted Monitor
Q2276 Varanus primordius Northern Ridge-tailed Monitor
W2287 Varanus rosenbergi Heath Monitor
W2279 Varanus spenceri Spencer's Monitor
Y2280 Varanus storri Storr’s Monitor
K2281 Varanus timorensis Spotted Tree Monitor
Z2283 Varanus varius Lace Monitor
S2269 Varanus glauerti Kimberley Rock Monitor
Skinks
S2305 Carlia coensis Coen Rainbow-skink
M2370 Ctenotus pantherinus Leopard Ctenotus
K2409 Egernia depressa Pygmy Spiny-tailed Skink
K2213 Egernia mcpheei Eastern Crevice-skink
E2422 Egernia pulchra South-western Rock-skink
Y2424 Egernia rugosa Yakka Skink
T2008 Eulamprus tryoni Tryon’s Skink
Q2584 Gnypetoscincus queenslandiae Prickly Forest Skink
S2577 Tiliqua multifasciata Centralian Blue-tongue
W2579 Tiliqua occipitalis Western Blue-tongue
Dragons
G2247 Amphibolurus longirostris Long-nosed Dragon
K2221 Chlamydosaurus kingii Frilled Lizard
A2180 Ctenophorus cristatus Crested Dragon
C2181 Ctenophorus decresii Tawny Dragon
Y2184 Ctenophorus fionni Peninsula Dragon
G2203 Ctenophorus vadnappa Red-barred Dragon
W2243 Hypsilurus boydii Boyd’s Forest Dragon
E2190 Pogona microlepidota Small-scaled Bearded Dragon
K2193 Pogona mitchelli North-west Bearded Dragon
G2255 Tympanocryptis lineata Lined Earless Dragon
Snakes
G2627 Acrochordus arafurae Arafura File Snake
S2613 Aspidites ramsayi Woma Python
A2632 Dendrelaphis calligastra Northern Tree Snake
E2634 Enhydris polylepis Macleay's Water Snake
C2617 Liasis albertisii White-lipped Python
E2618 Morelia amethistina Scrub Python
A2616 Morelia viridis Green Python
G2599 Ramphotyphlops nigrescens Blackish Blind Snake
K2629 Tropidonophis mairii Keelback
A2624 Morelia carinata Rough-scaled Python
Class 2 Category 1
W2675 Hoplocephalus bitorquatus Pale-headed Snake
A2676 Hoplocephalus bungaroides Broad-headed Snake
C2677 Hoplocephalus stephensii Stephens' Banded Snake
Z2727 Parasuta flagellum Whip Hooded Snake
K2813 Parasuta spectabilis Spectacled Hooded Snake
W2691 Pseudechis colletti Collett’s Snake
C2693 Pseudechis porphyriacus Red-bellied Black Snake
M2734 Vermicella annulata Eastern Bandy-bandy
Class 2 Category 2
A2640 Acanthophis antarcticus Southern Death Adder
Y2804 Acanthophis praelongus Northern Death Adder
C2641 Acanthophis pyrrhus Desert Death Adder
W2615 Austrelaps ramsayi Highlands Copperhead
E2642 Austrelaps superbus Lowlands Copperhead
E2650 Cryptophis nigrescens Eastern Small-eyed Snake
Q2680 Notechis ater Black Tiger Snake
S2681 Notechis scutatus Common Tiger Snake
U2690 Pseudechis australis Mulga Snake
M2814 Pseudechis butleri Butler’s Snake
A2692 Pseudechis guttatus Spotted Black Snake
K2697 Pseudonaja modesta Ringed Brown Snake
M2698 Pseudonaja nuchalis Western Brown Snake
E2722 Suta suta Myall Snake
Class 2 Category 3
K2689 Oxyuranus microlepidotus Western Taipan
Y2688 Oxyuranus scutellatus Taipan
Z2699 Pseudonaja textilis Common Brown Snake
G2723 Tropidechis carinatus Rough-scaled Snake

geeeee just a few extra on the list

 

[MathewB]

geeeee just a few extra on the list

Yeah theres only about four or five more

 

[MiddleOfNowhere]

I really do understand that a 225 species list is massive compared to a 41 species list. I'm in WA

That is why i appreciate our Eastern brethren helping us out. Us in WA should also be very thankful to WAHS for getting the keeping system in the first place, 10 years ago, and now pushing for what they are now. I am really hoping that we can expand our list, and get rid of some of these restrictions that have been placed on us, and actually allow the hobby to thrive. Again any, and all help will be appreciated by us in WA. With any luck and persistance we can get a better system in place, and a better keeping list.

MON

 

[stencorp69]

Just to clarify it was WASAH not WAHS that got the original system up and running. WAHS was setup after WASAH was disbanded

 

[Rach85]

starting to get a bit of momentum going.. well done.. bumpity bump

 

[Joshua-Tree]

letter sent
ive had 2 nephurus levis for about 6 months now and i really wanted amyae's but couldnt get them =\ then i found out other states can have them and couldnt believe it! thanks for getting this going i didnt know what to do