National parks and wildlife, trying to stop reptile x breeding.

[Mister_Snakes]

I found this the other day. Doesn't mention anything about any government department but is on the ABC rural site:

Snakes get the shakes

 

[Amazing Amazon]

Shane Simpson is from Victoria. I know DSE don't like the road we are heading down but I think it would be pretty hard to do anything about it. Especially in Victoria when Coastals, Jungles, Murray Darlings, Darwins and South Western Carpet Pythons all come under CARPET PYTHON - MORELIA SPILOTA VARIEGATA
Paul

 

[Australis]

re the news piece.. I get the impression it might be more about the neuro in jags..?

 

[dihsmaj]

as do I Australis... 'shaky snake syndrome'

Paul, is it legal to mix Morelia bredli with Morelia spilota?

 

[Amazing Amazon]

No it is not as they have there own species code
Diamond Python - Morelia spilota spilota
Centralian ( Bredli) - Morelia bredli
As far as the act/regulations is concerned these 2 are different but the 5 previously mentioned are all the same. I do not even think that it could be proved if a snake was a cross or not anyway (not easily anyway). Going by visual reference would be tough to hold up in court.
Paul

 

[fugawi]

Jags etc are not found in the wild, nor are they on NPWS species list and they are officially not exotic so theoretically you could keep them without paying for a license and NPWS may not have a case to claim that you should pay them due to the fact they are not "Wildlife".

 

[Amazing Amazon]

Aren't they Morelia spilota ......... ?

 

[dihsmaj]

Jags etc are not found in the wild, nor are they on NPWS species list and they are officially not exotic so theoretically you could keep them without paying for a license and NPWS may not have a case to claim that you should pay them due to the fact they are not "Wildlife".

Mind = blown.

And Paul, it lists
Carpet or Diamond Python - Morelia spilota
Centralian Carpet Python - Morelia bredli

 

[JasonL]

To late and impossible for them to control, they can't control what they have now let alone any more. They should stick to controlling / patrolling National Parks.

 

[Amazing Amazon]

Diamonds (spilota spilota) and "Carpet Pythons" (spilota variegata)are listed differently on the schedule in Victoria.

 

[waruikazi]

Jags etc are not found in the wild, nor are they on NPWS species list and they are officially not exotic so theoretically you could keep them without paying for a license and NPWS may not have a case to claim that you should pay them due to the fact they are not "Wildlife".

Oh man i think the aliens have experimented on you a lil too much... lol.

JAGS are just M. spilota. They are on every species list except tasmania.

 

[Tassie97]

Oh man i think the aliens have experimented on you a lil too much... lol.

JAGS are just M. spilota. They are on every species list except tasmania.

yer cause we dont have any

 

[Wild~Touch]

Have a good read of "The Complete Carpet python" the most recent classifications are explained therein

 

[Laghairt]

I would have thought that turning Australia into a "hybrid mad country like USA" would have a positive impact on conservation. When the price of albino Darwin carpets and jags inevitably become more affordable, there will be less incentive to take a 'boring' old coastal from the wild etc.

I would assume that the people interested in preserving particular locale specific herps will be the more 'hardcore herper' who has a deeper appreciation of the animals and the habitat they come from. The average punter probably won't be interested in wild herps and will go for the brightly coloured morphs.

 

[GeckPhotographer]

Paul, is it legal to mix Morelia bredli with Morelia spilota?

And it is further confused by several sources holding M.bredli and M.spilota as the same species.

 

[dihsmaj]

Diamonds (spilota spilota) and "Carpet Pythons" (spilota variegata)are listed differently on the schedule in Victoria.

http://www.land.vic.gov.au/CA256F310024B628/0/B26F8AF7E3D97226CA257193007930EF/$File/Application+for+a+Private+Wildlife+Licence.pdf
Search Morelia...

 

[Fuscus]

from http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/register/p01386aa.pdf

Can I breed protected animals?
Yes, if you are the holder of an appropriate licence you are entitled to breed those species listed under
Schedule 3 of the Nature Conservation (Wildlife) Regulation 2006.
However, it is illegal to knowingly breed a mutation or hybrid of a protected animal, although there are some
specific exemptions that apply to the holder of a commercial wildlife licence or recreational wildlife licence for
live protected birds

You can see that there is a huge can of worms here

 

[JasonL]

Carpet pythons are all the same thing anyway arn't they

 

[GeckPhotographer]

Carpet pythons are all the same thing anyway arn't they

Wilson and Swan certainly say so....

 

[Amazing Amazon]

http://www.land.vic.gov.au/CA256F310024B628/0/B26F8AF7E3D97226CA257193007930EF/$File/Application+for+a+Private+Wildlife+Licence.pdf
Search Morelia...

WOW! When did that change? Must be very recent! Very interesting as it is the first I have heard of the change.
Paul