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I agree with their frustration at how things are run and why not have a tanty? Good on em. It would be good to hear a unified voice about something but never mind. Their juices are flowing. They will re-enter suburban spuddery with an attitude that may get them out.
 
Just what are they trying to achieve tho? What is their main agenda.
From what I have read and seen they are bitching about such a large range of issues. What is their strategy
in achieving their aims. I don't really see them coming up with solutions, just bitching about stuff they find annoying.

I have no problems about a group of people protesting, I'm old I was there for (and part of) the Franklin Dam protests.
They achieved what they wanted and it was clear to everyone what their agenda was.
 
Those people are retarded, Can you hear what they are saying "you are raping her!"

If they want to be smart arses what do they expect? Did you see the previous you tube clip? When all the people in tents are running a crowd of cops rounding them up?

They can give but can't take by the looks of it

P.s I'm not against protesting so long as it is in a clearly objective way. They should be spending more time getting their point across in a constructive way rather than just being smart asses and trying to make you tube clips.
 
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So am I. Do you think I can get the bloody council to mow the grass across the road from my house? Been on em for years. They're quick to put their hand out and ask for rates every year though. :D

If that's all I've got to grumble about though I'm probably going alright.

As the world gets larger, an individuals voice gets quieter. A mass of voices will always be heard if they are saying the same thing.

Let them have their camp. Anyone that can spend more than one night in a tent in inner city Melbourne has my respect.
 
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Geez there are some ultra conservative members on APS, when I was younger peaceful protest was commonplace. Now it is considered a crime, scary world we are living in right now and we want to impose our "freedom" on other countries. And for those asking what the protest is about, it started in the US as a protest against the bank bailouts and multinational control of government and it has now gone global. At the end of the day most of the protesters are educated, middle class and working class people who are sick to death of struggling to make ends meet while there taxes and their countries financial reserves are being used to bail out companies that pay their executives millions of dollars.
 
Geez there are some ultra conservative members on APS, when I was younger peaceful protest was commonplace. Now it is considered a crime, scary world we are living in right now and we want to impose our "freedom" on other countries. And for those asking what the protest is about, it started in the US as a protest against the bank bailouts and multinational control of government and it has now gone global. At the end of the day most of the protesters are educated, middle class and working class people who are sick to death of struggling to make ends meet while there taxes and their countries financial reserves are being used to bail out companies that pay their executives millions of dollars.

Thank you . I am so glad someone gets it . The basic idea is that we are fast running out of time to protest the fact that we are ALL being screwed by the 5% that own 95% of the wealth . Your kids will one day ask you if you tried to stop it , what will you say ?
 
If you never ran amok you failed your youth IMO.

so breaking the law is fun?

the cops need to arrest these idiots, take their names, check with centerlink and if they are on ANY welfare payments they need to take it away

sure there are things out there we all dont like but its LIFE, if you dont like it find a deserted island and go live there and take your hippy mates with you, im sure not one of these 'protestors' could give up their money

also who is supporting these free loaders while they are 'protesting'? who is paying their rent/mortage? buying their food? im sure they are not living on love or air alone
 
so breaking the law is fun?

the cops need to arrest these idiots, take their names, check with centerlink and if they are on ANY welfare payments they need to take it away

sure there are things out there we all dont like but its LIFE, if you dont like it find a deserted island and go live there and take your hippy mates with you, im sure not one of these 'protestors' could give up their money

also who is supporting these free loaders while they are 'protesting'? who is paying their rent/mortage? buying their food? im sure they are not living on love or air alone

My god ! Posts like this are EXACTLY the reason there are protests ! The references to Centrelink, Welfare, Hippies, freeloaders...

Make your mind up darling are they freeloaders, or are they richkids who wouldn't give up all that money ?

if you must know; many of them are students, lawyers, doctors, PROFESSIONALS- or in some cases; on a path to becoming qualified to becoming professionals at University; you know- that place where they teach you to use capital letters and correct grammar and where freethinking and rebellion is not merely tolerated; but ENCOURAGED. How these people pay for dinner has absolutely ZERO relevance to their beliefs. How are they "freeloading"? Go and spend a night lying on the concrete in Melbourne and then talk to me about sacrificing comfort for your beliefs.... Is it nice and warm and cozy there in your living room while you type your rhetoric ?

Surely you don't mean to imply that they are freeloaders because they are sleeping on that lovely warm cobblestone for free rent?!!!!

"Take away their welfare payments ?"

Wow. If any of those protesters are from low socio-economic backgrounds or being supported by a support payment to study or volunteer, then how is taking away their food going to change anything ? They are protesting about the very foundations of our country's financial system; the system that bails out banks who pay their execs in 7 figures; politicians who give themselves 6 figure raises; and ironically the attitude that as taxpayers we have no say over how our country's wealth is spent.

Just as you have a right to whinge (without basis) about freeloaders and welfare and hippies; I have a right to comment or protest on our government's inability to share said wealth. And unless you run a casino up there in Broken Hill I suggest you open your mind to the fact that some of us "hippies" actually earn $500K plus a year- and pay more tax every year than your entire household does in 5 years !

While you cry about how your tax dollars pay bludgers; I sit back and pray that even a quarter of what I pay in tax goes to the needy. And before you go crying "silver spoons" from the hilltops let me state that I grew up in relative poverty in South Western Sydney and saw first hand how hard it is to start behind everyone else; and thanks to study and determination and PROTEST I made my way up the ladder; yet I havent forgotten where I come from; I still volunteer and donate MY money wherever I can.

When is the last time you fed the homeless or donated to a charity for no reason other than it was the right thing to do ?

Unless you have tried to make a difference then you have no right to disrespect those who DO.

Jam that in your signature.

So there you have it- it's always the low income earners who stand up for middle Australia, while middle and upper Oz bathes in champagne and whinges about those hippies. Country Australia is so far behind the times that it's scary. How you saw fit to make this about YOU and welfare support blows my mind. You 'dun opened up a can, Jeanneinneneninnnne.
 
She must have been the 1%, wearing a tent...
 
While I agree with trying to change things you disagree with, it seems these people are doing it wrong. Like others have said, like most middle class people who have seen these "Occupy ..." groups popping up, I didn't understand their message (until reading this thread). Maybe you will say I'm ignorant but if the people you are specifically trying to target don't understand your message then what is the point of doing it?
 
My god ! Posts like this are EXACTLY the reason there are protests ! The references to Centrelink, Welfare, Hippies, freeloaders... Amen.

Make your mind up darling are they freeloaders, or are they richkids who wouldn't give up all that money ? The sheep never seem to be able to make up their own minds so for them, it's best to argue both, that way they're at least 50% correct.

if you must know; many of them are students, lawyers, doctors, PROFESSIONALS- or in some cases; on a path to becoming qualified to becoming professionals at University; you know- that place where they teach you to use capital letters and correct grammar and where freethinking and rebellion is not merely tolerated; but ENCOURAGED. How these people pay for dinner has absolutely ZERO relevance to their beliefs. How are they "freeloading"? Go and spend a night lying on the concrete in Melbourne and then talk to me about sacrificing comfort for your beliefs.... Is it nice and warm and cozy there in your living room while you type your rhetoric ?

Surely you don't mean to imply that they are freeloaders because they are sleeping on that lovely warm cobblestone for free rent?!!!!

"Take away their welfare payments ?"

Wow. If any of those protesters are from low socio-economic backgrounds or being supported by a support payment to study or volunteer, then how is taking away their food going to change anything ? They are protesting about the very foundations of our country's financial system; the system that bails out banks who pay their execs in 7 figures; politicians who give themselves 6 figure raises; and ironically the attitude that as taxpayers we have no say over how our country's wealth is spent. See below.

Just as you have a right to whinge (without basis) about freeloaders and welfare and hippies; I have a right to comment or protest on our government's inability to share said wealth. And unless you run a casino up there in Broken Hill I suggest you open your mind to the fact that some of us "hippies" actually earn $500K plus a year- and pay more tax every year than your entire household does in 5 years !

While you cry about how your tax dollars pay bludgers; I sit back and pray that even a quarter of what I pay in tax goes to the needy. And before you go crying "silver spoons" from the hilltops let me state that I grew up in relative poverty in South Western Sydney and saw first hand how hard it is to start behind everyone else; and thanks to study and determination and PROTEST I made my way up the ladder; yet I havent forgotten where I come from; I still volunteer and donate MY money wherever I can.

When is the last time you fed the homeless or donated to a charity for no reason other than it was the right thing to do ?

Unless you have tried to make a difference then you have no right to disrespect those who DO.

Jam that in your signature.

So there you have it- it's always the low income earners who stand up for middle Australia, while middle and upper Oz bathes in champagne and whinges about those hippies. Country Australia is so far behind the times that it's scary. How you saw fit to make this about YOU and welfare support blows my mind. You 'dun opened up a can, Jeanneinneneninnnne.

Since I'm not Australian, I'll keep this brief. It's your country to do with as you please, so if you want to roll over and "take it", it's your prerogative as a tax paying Australian. The global phenomenon known as "Occupy [insert name]" is about class disparity. I submit that the people whingeing about protesters haven't a clue what that means. The simplest and quickest illustrations I can give you, in hopes you'll open your eyes and get off your ****, are as follows:

Kevin Rudd was stripped of the Prime Minister's role over "his support for a mining tax". Those who could afford to, managed to sway public opinion just enough to pass it anyway. We now have a mining tax. Bla bla bla.. carbon tax. That these taxes were political suicide not two years ago, and somehow they are now "good for Australians", is testament to the effectiveness of the machine. In laymans terms, it will now cost you more for a metal toilet roll holder and of course, to turn on the kettle for a cuppa, but you got an income tax break in the last budget right?

Who here has had the opportunity to walk up to their employer, while that employer was just managing to keep his/her head above water, and given themselves a $90,000 p/a pay hike and gotten away with it? C'mon, I'm not seeing any hands. Higher please. That's what I thought. Your un-elected Prime Minister (read "public servant") has just given herself a 24% pay hike, courtesy of you. The part that makes me laugh the most is that her approval rating is 36%! So here is a public servant, that you did not elect, and almost two thirds of you think she does a crap job, but you're allowing her to pay herself an extra $90k out of your pockets?!?! You're not outraged by this?!?! I think I need a drink. This is an excellent example of a shamocracy. Even the leader of the opposition, a man that thinks wearing "budgie smugglers" in public is appropriate for a shadow head of state, netted himself an extra $74K.

I could go on, but I am heading for a confrontation with the Australian "Anti Sedition" laws. There's a gem that I'll bet even jenneane wouldn't have a clue about!

It's all fine and nice to sip a cappuccino, and call the "hippeis" welfare bums, and wallow in your own reflected crapulence. The "kapo" mentality is alive and well. As the Pirate pointed out, they are mostly young go-getters, who thankfully, have elected to get out from behind the keyboard and get their hands dirty.

Oh, and don't get me started on the "central banking" system, interest rates, etc. You should already understand how all of that works. Enjoy the next cut to to the cash rate! PMSL! These are the types of issues the "hippie protesters" are fighting against.
 
A short story on protestors...

When I was at Uni you get different groups trying to organise a protest about one social issue or another. I always politely declined to join their protest. One day on an early winter morn as I was having my morning coffee half asleep at 10am (yes uni student time) waiting for class one particular group was overly enthusiastic in recruiting for their cause. After I politely said no about joining their protest a few times they started to get a bit narky and saying that I don't care (which i did'nt), and that my attitude was the main problem for social injustice and inequality (protest was about not having enough jobs or welfare or something). This went on for a couple of minutes from them one after the other telling me the same thing.

This is the conversation that followed in my retort to them:

Them: you don't care.... yada, yada, blah, blah...

Me: So guys on a side note what are you guys studying at Uni to be so passionate about this issue.

Guy 1: Social economics

Guy 2: Political science

Guy 3: Economics

Girl: Political Science

Guy 4: Yeah man most of us are studying the issues that's why we know about it unlike you who chooses to turn a blind eye...

Me: Me chossing to turn a blind eye?.... You guys seem pretty smart, given that you are in university and all. I don't think you guys are first year students and by the looks of it you guys are at least on your second year of university. So that would mean 6 years of high school, at least 2 years of university and I can safely assume that you are at least 8 years old. You guys are actually studying the issues on a high level being at university and your telling me the best solutions your collective brain power can muster given the scope of your surroundings and learning is to "whinge" about the issue like a 5 year old? Being at least 8 I would have expected you to know better than that.... Seriously? With all the lectures on Political science and economics you guys have attented all the hours spent reading books... no business plan to solve the issue, no performa, no dossier for change?..... whinging is that it? Are'nt you guys earning that HECS debt.... you know I really expected better from you...

Needless to say they had a few choice words directed my way but I was left alone after that to continue to enjoy my morning coffee.

Just thought I'd share that as I was reminded of it with this thread.
 
Those people are retarded, Can you hear what they are saying "you are raping her!"

If they want to be smart arses what do they expect? Did you see the previous you tube clip? When all the people in tents are running a crowd of cops rounding them up?

If you want to be a smart *** to the police, sure, that gives them the right to arrest you. It does not give them the right to pull your clothes off in public and there is absolutely no reason for people to expect that that sort of behaviour; it is utterly out of line and however you may perceive the actions of the protestors does not change that
 
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Oh, and don't get me started on the "central banking" system, interest rates, etc. You should already understand how all of that works. Enjoy the next cut to to the cash rate! PMSL! These are the types of issues the "hippie protesters" are fighting against.

And this is my point.

This is the issue that will make mum and dad in the burbs take notice when they're trying to get the kids to eat their tea at six o'clock.

This is the core principle of the ' Occupy ' movement.

Not nit picking council by-laws over whether a tent is a dwelling or piece of clothing.

Keep the message focused and the rest follows.
 
so breaking the law is fun?
No. When the goal is to improve society it takes dedication and bravery.

the cops need to arrest these idiots, take their names, check with centerlink and if they are on ANY welfare payments they need to take it away
If they break laws then yes they should be arrested, and face the prescribed sanction. The additional punishments make me wonder about your thinking patterns, by your logic then if the police catch you speeding then they should fine you then go around to your house and shoot the dog.


sure there are things out there we all dont like but its LIFE, if you dont like it find a deserted island and go live there
A number of people didn't like Smallpox, Polio, etc. Imagine what the world would be like if they followed your well thought out advice. We need to break the link between big money and our politicians , even sight-impaired Fredericks faithful canine companion can see that they don't represent voters and you can't force a piece of paper between the two major parties. Its going to take a lot of work to change the system.

and take your hippy mates with you
Are they hippies, or are you just habitually denigrate people you don't understand and/or agree with in the hope that if you insult them people will think less of them and more of you (NOTE: It also works in reverse).
im sure not one of these 'protestors' could give up their money
What has that got to do with anything?

also who is supporting these free loaders while they are 'protesting'? who is paying their rent/mortage? buying their food? im sure they are not living on love or air alone
Go and ask them. Of is it easier just to rant without any data?
 
Ladies and Gentlemen- what a way to wake up over a coffee this morning ! Snake Whisperer, Littlemay, Fuscus and Wally76 (great year btw), I salute you.

I agree, break criminal law and expect (and deserve) to be arrested. Don't expect to be stripped naked though or abused or assaulted. Just as there will always be conservatives on a given "side", there will always be radicals of the same ilk. I have seen silly behaviour on both sides, but the realist I am says that although reaction, direction and education may differ on both sides of the coin; the INDIVIDUAL, ie, YOU and ME, have nothing if we don't have our beliefs and our principles and our word. That same right to speak up is counterbalanced by your right to do nothing. I don;t hate, dislike or lack respect for anyone with a belief they believe in fighting for, regardless of their bank balance or background- but it's always those who are comfortable and have something to lose who support their conservative status quo. Why is that ?

Stand up for what you believe in; many a radical from Gallileo to Einstein to Sea Shepherd have been told the fight is either not worth it, or their moral compass is corrupt, or they are wrong, or they can't make a difference. It's ALWAYS the 5% that sit in the comfortable lounge chairs and revert to name calling, or refer to irrelevent "experience", or speak in terms of "their money" or the "right" way when deflecting argument for change.

Name calling is the easy way out; as Fuscus has said, show me data, show me figures, show me WHY NOT......
 
I'm 26, i have a permanent job, i earn over $70k a year, i don't pay any rent and i have saved what i think is a significant ammount of money.

Despite all this i still can't borrow enough money to buy an average priced unit in the NT.

There is something seriously wrong with this scenario!
 
I don't understand why they are there when they shouldn't be there, and at the same time effectively achieving nothing. It's like cyclists riding through the Domain tunnel, when they shouldn't. It's like parking in a non parking spot, when they shouldn't. These people think they are a law unto themselves, they should be moved on at the very least. Kudos to the cops that they haven't all been arrested yet. I think they've let Occupy Melbourne have their little party, play their little game, now it's time for them to move on.

Personally I think they are professional protesters with nothing else to do. I actually agree with Jeannine in a lot of regards. They sure as hell wouldn't have jobs, or if they did they would have lost them by now. These people should be identified and have their Centerlink payments suspended - that'd clear out at least 90% of the crowd and discourage others.

Btw, I have attended protests, but certainly ones that were more productive and not merely about myself or having a stab at big business. These people should be out getting a job rather than having a hissy-fit about our current society and leeching the funds out of the very system they are protesting about. Poor form!

The more the years go by, the more I begin to realize how much freedom we have on our hands allowing us to worry about things of insignificant and trivial nature. Get these people over into some of the third world countries and their lives would be "occupied" with either finding food and clean water or dodging bullets.

I used to joke about people wearing tents.....and now they actually are! :lol:
 
If you want to be a smart *** to the police, sure, that gives them the right to arrest you. It does not give them the right to pull your clothes off in public and there is absolutely no reason for people to expect that that sort of behaviour; it is utterly out of line and however you may perceive the actions of the protestors does not change that

Tents are not items of clothing and the fact that they are spending time bending laws and making you tube clips instead of fighting for their cause shows that the are more interested in showing the police up and causing drama.

I would think majority of people don't have a very clear understanding of what exactly it is they are protesting which, IMO, means they are wasting their time. If they protested clearly and objectively the media attention they got would advertise/highlight what they are fighting against and they would get their point across to hundreds of thousands of people eating their dinner watching the 6 o'clock news, who would otherwise have no idea what is going on.

To be honest I agree with what they are protesting for, but not how they are protesting for it.
 
If i decide to wear a potato sack and call a cop an ***hole, does that give him the right to tear it off my body in the middle of Martin Place? As for the rest; "however you may perceive the actions of the protestors does not change that (it is utterly out of line)".
 
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