Myvekk
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I didn't know people were so touchy either!
Well, that seems like sound & well reasoned advice, Captain!
Well, that seems like sound & well reasoned advice, Captain!
I've asked this before but will ask again as I didn't get an answer at the time.
For those advocating keeping 2 or more snakes together,if a poster took your advice on board and something nasty happened would you offer to replace one or both of the animals?
If the answer is no then would it be right to think that deep down you think it's not as safe as you would believe ?
by just coming into a thread like this and saying they do it with no problems , they are advocating it and it is funny that none of them have directly answered Ramsayis question , guess we know the answer thenNoone is advocating keeping 2 together.
This comment comes up a lot.Why are they usually found together? I'm curious as to what people think.
by just coming into a thread like this and saying they do it with no problems , they are advocating it and it is funny that none of them have directly answered Ramsayis question , guess we know the answer then
... one rock outcrop might harbour a dozen or more animals, and they could occasionally be found in groups of 3-4 under one rock. Many of these rock outcrops were isolated in patches of bush, so it's likely that they comprise localised family groups. ...
Jamie
This comment comes up a lot.Why are they usually found together? I'm curious as to what people think.
My view on this subject is that specifically in an enclosure scenario there are a limited number of "micro-habitats" I guess is the most suitable description. There are 'X' number of hides, 'X' number of basking spots, 'X' number of water bowls, 'X' number of branches, 'X' number of plants etc. Each one of these variables has certain interactions with the others (eg this hide may be elevated, this hide may be the coolest temperature, this hide may be the warmest, this hide may be a tighter fit "more secure", this hide may have a nearby fake plant to provide extra cover etc). All these little interactions between cage furniture and abiotic factors create a unique niche within the enclosure, a much more compressed and scaled replica of nature where species distribution is limited to biotic and abiotic factors (as well as other variables).
My point being that each animal is driven by internal forces (thermoregulation, hunger, self-preservation/security etc) and their behaviour reflects these forces. So with a limited number of available resources each animal is modifying their behaviour dependent on these parameters (eg as both snakes are experiencing "near" identical environments it is likely snake A and snake B will need to bask at similar periods of time, same with hides; if there is a hide for each snake they will not experience the exact same parameters so one may be warmer therefore more desirable given current situation).
I don't think it is as specifically clear-cut as my description as other members have posted situations where communal gatherings occur, I myself have observed similar instances. But in a single enclosure housing two animals with similar features exposed to identical parameters I believe it is simply a case of selfish preservation (each animal is only acting on it's own needs) rather than some form of emotional attachment or companionship between the animals.
Sorry for the long winded answer, and it is purely theory I have done no research to back this up so I'm willing to concede it could be utter nonsense.
As in necessity are most animals ,
, so- a well fed animal is always a good thing when being dumb and co-habitating animals . My parson's finches do not like the manikins at nesting time if there is not enough nesting material available . problem solved ,Lots of nesting material .
Sorry Captain I didnt see that he was putting two different Antareia together , But , I have seen many zoo s that co-habitate their herps ,usually in large outdoor pits . I guess that these people would do some serious research before doing this
As in necessity are most animals ,
, so- a well fed animal is always a good thing when being dumb and co-habitating animals . My parson's finches do not like the manikins at nesting time if there is not enough nesting material available . problem solved ,Lots of nesting material .
Sorry Captain I didnt see that he was putting two different Antareia together , But , I have seen many zoo s that co-habitate their herps ,usually in large outdoor pits . I guess that these people would do some serious research before doing this
This is an interesting question actually. In my days at the WA Museum, when field collecting, especially at the southern part of the Stimson's range, from north of Geraldton to down around the Darling Range in Perth and further east in the wheatbelt, Stimmies are very often found in concentrated groups - one rock outcrop might harbour a dozen or more animals, and they could occasionally be found in groups of 3-4 under one rock. Many of these rock outcrops were isolated in patches of bush, so it's likely that they comprise localised family groups. The lack of spacial pressure probably reduces or eliminates the chance of cannibalism, but who knows.
Cannibalism is always a risk, some people are just prepared to take that chance. 90% of the time you'll get away with it...
Jamie
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