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when did I say anything about going to war???? I said put in its place so clam down...... As for not liking USA the fact that any Australian does is a joke. how many Australian have died in the Iraq war? A war that was started because of weapons of mass destruction, weapons that didn't exist.... But not one talks about that anymore just ''love America they saved us all''
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As for the EMP attack America is very venerable and it would take time to repair which would give NK an advantage if they were wanting to go to war.... will this happen? not unless gun hoe America does something stupid and kim jong il thinks that he will lose NK, in which case what would he have to lose....
Exactly, given that North Koreas weapons capability is properly a bit more than Iraqs but y becoz the media says so.
Judging by your statement you haven't looked into the matters apart from reports on the local news, I suggest if you are interested in the matter do some more research. Iraq had no weapon capability..... and north Korea defiantly has nuclear weapons and missiles to launch them.
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Since when do weapons of mass destruction only include nuclear arsenal? Iraq had a chemical arsenal, and had used it on it's own people. While the second war with Iraq did not uncover any stockpiles, history had shown they did infact posses them. What happened to the equipment and manufacturing technology is very much a million dollar question. The deposition of the Iraqi dictator was not simply an American decision, it certainly was the result of Saudi influence. Involvement in the Middle East to bring stability to the region has far greater repercussions than WMD.
As for it being a joke that any Australian likes the USA, how soon do you forget. The freedom that exists in this country is the direct result of the contribution of the lives of hundreds of thousands American soldiers. Stability in the whole pacific region following the Second World War can be directly contributed to the ANZUS treaty that was signed in 1951. Australia has an obligation to support it's greatest ally and protector and it would be abhorent to shirk our obligations. I would counter that Australia's close ties to the USA is not only nesessary to Australia's long term sovereignty, but has the general support of the Australian people.
For all the reported shortcomings that the media critics like to profess to the world a definite state of communist anarchy would exist in the world today without the influence of the ideological Americans. Freedom is something to many of us take for granted.
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As for it being a joke that any Australian likes the USA, how soon do you forget. The freedom that exists in this country is the direct result of the contribution of the lives of hundreds of thousands American soldiers. Stability in the whole pacific region following the Second World War can be directly contributed to the ANZUS treaty that was signed in 1951. Australia has an obligation to support it's greatest ally and protector and it would be abhorent to shirk our obligations. I would counter that Australia's close ties to the USA is not only nesessary to Australia's long term sovereignty, but has the general support of the Australian people.
For all the reported shortcomings that the media critics like to profess to the world a definite state of communist anarchy would exist in the world today without the influence of the ideological Americans. Freedom is something to many of us take for granted.
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wells said wingnut , especially the part regarding Australia's alliance with America
An EMP on US mainland would in no way hinder its response to a threat from
NK. It is a known fact that NK does not posses sufficient nuclear capability to significantly effect the whole of the American military defense structure. An EMP attack of the US mainland would be no REAL affect to it's capacity to respond to NK.
Likely the only thing that could be gained from a EMP attack on US soil would be an end to social media hype
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While the second war with Iraq did not uncover any stockpiles, history had shown they did in fact posses them. What happened to the equipment and manufacturing technology is very much a million dollar question. They did not have chemical weapons which was the lie that the USA sold to the world to try to justify the war. Germany had chemical weapons in the past, so it would be ok for the USA to go to war with them??? As for ''Involvement in the Middle East to bring stability to the region has far greater repercussions than WMD.'' you mean to stability of USA oil supply right? So its ok to kill thousands to make sure you can still feed your country? so its ok what north Korea is doing then...
the social media hype that runs their food delivery network??? do some research you are making yourself look very....An EMP on US mainland would in no way hinder its response to a threat from
NK. It is a known fact that NK does not posses sufficient nuclear capability to significantly effect the whole of the American military defense structure. An EMP attack of the US mainland would be no REAL affect to it's capacity to respond to NK.
Likely the only thing that could be gained from a EMP attack on US soil would be an end to social media hype
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Of course they do but to wat extent is unknown
Could you please explain how the food delivery network of the general population would effect a possible military response. All military bases have alternative communication arrangements that can be used in the event a primary communication function is removed. As a example there is an American communication base on the Australian mainland that is used in this exact circumstance. These installations are not localised even to the point that an aircraft carrier has the capacity to act as a FOB and would be sufficient to command a swift and appropriate response to any military threat to the US. It is known fact that NK does not have the capacity to target even a small percentage of the US assets, and this is not even taking into consideration it's allies. In the event of this type of attack, the repair you speak about are likely to take place well after a military response from the US is over.
Perhaps if a look at the over all distribution of the US military assets was taken you would see that there is certainly an isolation of it's assets in terms of operational practicality and NK simply does not have the resources to disable even a portion of these.
Furthermore, a first response from the US is certainly not coming from the US mainland and is beyond the reach on any of NK's military hardware. It is likely that NK is not even aware of there presence and these unit are under no threat of EMP or conventional nuclear attack.
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The Iraqi government may or may not have possessed WMD at the commencement of the second war, however there were many other reasons to justify the war, WMD's were one reason that the media isolated. The fact that the dictator of Iraq authorised a assassination attempt of the president of America, which was thwarted in it's latter stages, showed a prepensity to use aggression against a country allied with the US, has used chemical weapons previously are justification enough for the second war. Not to mention the horrific humanitarian atrocities which ultimately led to the dictators death.
Germany, has not proliferated or used chemical weapons since the end of the Second World War and has abided by the conditions of the treaty signed to end the war. The comparison is rediculous to make and reeks of intentional scare mongering that mass media implements.
As stated previously the stability and on going stabilising effect of the US on the world as a whole has been a benefit to the freedom we all have today. Iraq made an attempt to destabilise the US by it's invasion of Kuwait, a sovereign country that requested the assistance of the US. The second war in Iraq was to prevent this threat from further destabilising the region.
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No Australian soldiers died in Iraq from enemy action. Two died in accidents, one from a vehicle accident and the other from an accidental discharge of his weapon. What's your point????
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Bananapeel
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This is an extremely ignorant comment to make. America have done some fantastic thing whilst in alliance with Australia. What kind of generalisation is it to say the fact that any australian likes the US is a joke? That's ridiculous.
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Keep it civil or the thread gets closed !
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ff to. Tt
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well that IS WHAT i asked for earlier JAX
J-A-X
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Unless it gets nasty there is no need to close it. This ADULT discussion gives more info for parents to talk to their children about. But if it deteriorates into name calling I will close it
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Thankyou JAX.
jacorin, you asked a simple question about whether or not you have discussed it with your kids and the next thing you have a full blown discussion on global military and economic interactions. Somebody opened Pandora’s box… Whilst is it not what you were expecting, it not inappropriate for members to suggest likely scenarios and to give reasons for same, which includes looking at the previous military engagements of the current protagonists. It is a worthwhile exercise to go through because realities of the past are often over dramatised or simply left out completely in painting a picture of the entities involved in this potential conflict.
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jacorin, you asked a simple question about whether or not you have discussed it with your kids and the next thing you have a full blown discussion on global military and economic interactions. Somebody opened Pandora’s box… Whilst is it not what you were expecting, it not inappropriate for members to suggest likely scenarios and to give reasons for same, which includes looking at the previous military engagements of the current protagonists. It is a worthwhile exercise to go through because realities of the past are often over dramatised or simply left out completely in painting a picture of the entities involved in this potential conflict.
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