Wild caught specimens.

[Snowman]

How!? That's what I want to know Unless they bought them like Andy mentioned. I mean taken from the scrub.

I think you need to be a little more articulate.... You are not making much sense at all.
Anyone can import wild caught animals from WA. And many people do... You can't start your own line from just a few wild caught animals. That takes decades of breeding. Wild caught animals are locale specific, so if anything that is the line. Just like wheatbelt stimi's.

 

[baker]

You ask someone that is able to collect from wild to collect you the species or locality that you are after. They then collect it and transfer is to you with all their paperwork to legally have done it.
Cheers Cameron

 

[B_STATS]

I think you need to be a little more articulate.... You are not making much sense at all.
Anyone can import wild caught animals from WA. And many people do... You can't start your own line from just a few wild caught animals. That takes decades of breeding. Wild caught animals are locale specific, so if anything that is the line. Just like wheatbelt stimi's.

Grr I am being articulate

 

[Snowman]

Obviously all native animals are from the wild originally, that doesn't require mentioning. All I have done on the licensing subject is read my N.S.W license paperwork. I learned that licensed animals can be transferred interstate after obtaining a separate, transfer license and that wild caught animals cannot be kept here. Unless you're some zoo keeper VIP. I didn't have my license when I lived in W.A. I didn't keep reptiles then.

Where does it state that you cant keep wild caught animals? Unless you mean catching your own wild animals. Which is why I insist that you explain yourself better. Wild caught is a term that is used to describe an animal that was born in the wild. If I sold you one of my wild caught animals, it would still be wild caught. That is not illegal in NSW to be in possession of wild caught. As long as it has the relevant paperwork.

 

[gozz]

young ive bred from wild caught (Legally obtained) on permit

 

[Snowman]

Wild caught imbricata...



First Gen Captive Bred from above.
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[gozz]

More.... you might see one that is in the latest Elapid Book (my animal)

 

[B_STATS]

If I ever start breeding I'm going to purchase wild caught and breed from them.

 

[gozz]

wild caught can be harder to breed from than established animals
just start with little macs from established lines

 

[Snowman]

If I ever start breeding I'm going to purchase wild caught and breed from them.

The trick is knowing some of the licensed wild takers
To import into NSW from WA you have $180 in fees to our DEC. Then the cost of wild caught animals... Which are generally more expensive than captive bred because of the wild taking fee each animal has. This is part of why wild taking is self limiting.
As said above, wild animals can be harder to breed. They can be a little more flighty and some never settle down...

 

[Dendrobates]

It isn't just WA and the NT where wild caught animals can be legally caught and sold either, animals can be collected under permit in other states for venom research/supply and then when they are finished with can then be sold to the public. I keep wild caught snakes from TAS, QLD and NSW.

 

[borntobnude]

You ask someone that is able to collect from wild to collect you the species or locality that you are after. They then collect it and transfer is to you with all their paperwork to legally have done it.
Cheers Cameron

this is the answer I think he was after and all that was needed with the exception of the wild caught pics to taunt him :lol:

 

[lizardwhisperer]

I know of a person who is not a member of WIRES and rescued an injured wild skink, rehabilitated it with the assistance of a local vet (who managed it's treatment and provided medications) in the hope that it would surviveand able to be releases when fit again, but it was too disabled as result of it's injuries to survive if released back to the wild, so it remained in that person's care (off the record).Personally I see nothing wrong with that situation and that kind person should be applauded for saving that little lizard's life and taking on it's (expensive) care and providing a safe, secure and comfortable home and life enrichment to it for the duration of it's natural life.

We all know children everywhere frequently go out and catch wild reptiles and bring them home and sometimes keep them are pets.

However ADULTS taking wild reptiles in order to enhance their collection of breeding stock and to gain financially from it is poor form and should not be allowed.

 

[thesilverbeast]

Disregard, above post removed.

 

[ingie]

I know of a person who is not a member of WIRES and rescued an injured wild skink, rehabilitated it with the assistance of a local vet (who managed it's treatment and provided medications) in the hope that it would surviveand able to be releases when fit again, but it was too disabled as result of it's injuries to survive if released back to the wild, so it remained in that person's care (off the record).Personally I see nothing wrong with that situation and that kind person should be applauded for saving that little lizard's life and taking on it's (expensive) care and providing a safe, secure and comfortable home and life enrichment to it for the duration of it's natural life.

We all know children everywhere frequently go out and catch wild reptiles and bring them home and sometimes keep them are pets.

However ADULTS taking wild reptiles in order to enhance their collection of breeding stock and to gain financially from it is poor form and should not be allowed.

I don't really get this. I don't think people should be applauded for prolonging pain and suffering of an injured wild reptile, for personal satisfaction of feeling good for "saving" something, and getting pats on the back for spending lots of money. Depending on the degree of injury and pain involved, I see it as animal cruelty. Reptiles aren't capable of thinking into the future and looking forward to feeling healthy and pain free again. They don't learn to love a human and be grateful/happy for the company and food etc, like a little mammal might. They just get incredibly stressed out about being damaged and captured. It can be hard for people to draw the line with their own pets, but to go into the wild and take something that would be better off being a part of the circle of life, I just don't get it. Sorry if this upsets anyone, it is just how I feel on the topic.

 

[andynic07]

I don't really get this. I don't think people should be applauded for prolonging pain and suffering of an injured wild reptile, for personal satisfaction of feeling good for "saving" something, and getting pats on the back for spending lots of money. Depending on the degree of injury and pain involved, I see it as animal cruelty. Reptiles aren't capable of thinking into the future and looking forward to feeling healthy and pain free again. They don't learn to love a human and be grateful/happy for the company and food etc, like a little mammal might. They just get incredibly stressed out about being damaged and captured. It can be hard for people to draw the line with their own pets, but to go into the wild and take something that would be better off being a part of the circle of life, I just don't get it. Sorry if this upsets anyone, it is just how I feel on the topic.

My mates dog got a blue tongue and I took it to the vets , they treat them for free but the vet euthanised the lizard because it was too injured, I also had my dog get a bluey as well with the same result. I have no problem taking the injured animal to get help from a vet but would never keep it my self. I have looked into becoming a wildlife carer but as of yet have not done anything to start other than get some information.

 

[cement]

I don't really get this. I don't think people should be applauded for prolonging pain and suffering of an injured wild reptile, for personal satisfaction of feeling good for "saving" something, and getting pats on the back for spending lots of money. Depending on the degree of injury and pain involved, I see it as animal cruelty. Reptiles aren't capable of thinking into the future and looking forward to feeling healthy and pain free again. They don't learn to love a human and be grateful/happy for the company and food etc, like a little mammal might. They just get incredibly stressed out about being damaged and captured. It can be hard for people to draw the line with their own pets, but to go into the wild and take something that would be better off being a part of the circle of life, I just don't get it. Sorry if this upsets anyone, it is just how I feel on the topic.

Thats all good and you are entitled to your opinion. But as a former wildlife rescuer and carer I can absolutely say that rehabilitating wildlife where possible is much more beneficial then just letting it die in the bush or backyard. The main goal of rehabilitating wildlife is to return that animal to its home range so it can hopefully breed again and keep things going.
The action of rehabilitating and not returning has its benefits too. I am not sure about where you got the part about reptiles not being able to look forward to being healthy again, because in my experience reptiles heal much quicker then mammals, so in my opinion its because they want it more. "Little mammals" are in the same boat as reptiles, you can't have feelings for one species and not the next.... why wouldn't it be just the same to let a mammal be part of the circle too?
A life is life, wether it is a mammal, reptile or crustacean.

 

[ingie]

I am sorry that I have upset you.
I don't believe that reptiles heal faster because they want it more.
I do believe that some species are better at adapting to captive life than others, and that view has nothing to do with caring or not caring for different types of animals. An example of what I mean is something like an orphaned wallaby enjoying being raised by a a family, and being able to socialise happily with them, or something like that.

If you can successfully rehabilitate injured reptiles in a short amount of time and it can actually go back into the wild as a reproducing member of it's population (which is good for accidents, not so good if they were just genetically weak and not meant to go on and reproduce), then great. But I was more commenting on the animals that can't be rehabilitated, are too weak for anything natural, and need to be kept, and it is being done in an illegal manor. Wildlife carers will hopefully know when a case has a high hope of success, and when to PTS. Vets may or may not just treat the animal if the customer wants them to and is happy to pay.

I do care about all animals, that is why I think about things like this. Some people seem to think that the only way to care about something is to keep it alive at all costs, regardless of quality of life. Sometimes it is more humane to PTS instead of prolonging suffering. I respect the efforts that other people put in, to support what they believe is right though, even if I don't agree.

I commonly get into debates with people in the rat world who catch/"rescue" baby wild rats or even adult ones, and want advice on how to nurse them and where they can release them LOL. My advice would be to PTS as it is a pest, and give a home to a nice pet one that likes being held instead of wanting to chew your face off and disappear. Or debates with people who want to retrain genetically extremely aggressive pet rats, or medicate really sickly rats that have incredibly scarred lungs and are deathly skinny, to get a few extra weeks/months with them. The people get upset and tell me I don't love animals and I am so nasty, because every animal deserves the right to live as long as possible, regardless of the quality of life.

 

[Rogue5861]

I am sorry that I have upset you.
I don't believe that reptiles heal faster because they want it more.
I do believe that some species are better at adapting to captive life than others, and that view has nothing to do with caring or not caring for different types of animals. An example of what I mean is something like an orphaned wallaby enjoying being raised by a a family, and being able to socialise happily with them, or something like that.

If you can successfully rehabilitate injured reptiles in a short amount of time and it can actually go back into the wild as a reproducing member of it's population (which is good for accidents, not so good if they were just genetically weak and not meant to go on and reproduce), then great. But I was more commenting on the animals that can't be rehabilitated, are too weak for anything natural, and need to be kept, and it is being done in an illegal manor. Wildlife carers will hopefully know when a case has a high hope of success, and when to PTS. Vets may or may not just treat the animal if the customer wants them to and is happy to pay.

I do care about all animals, that is why I think about things like this. Some people seem to think that the only way to care about something is to keep it alive at all costs, regardless of quality of life. Sometimes it is more humane to PTS instead of prolonging suffering. I respect the efforts that other people put in, to support what they believe is right though, even if I don't agree.

I commonly get into debates with people in the rat world who catch/"rescue" baby wild rats or even adult ones, and want advice on how to nurse them and where they can release them LOL. My advice would be to PTS as it is a pest, and give a home to a nice pet one that likes being held instead of wanting to chew your face off and disappear. Or debates with people who want to retrain genetically extremely aggressive pet rats, or medicate really sickly rats that have incredibly scarred lungs and are deathly skinny, to get a few extra weeks/months with them. The people get upset and tell me I don't love animals and I am so nasty, because every animal deserves the right to live as long as possible, regardless of the quality of life.

Does this not come down to the vet that would be treating said animal? I would of thought a vet would recognise if an animal is beyond saving it it would be put down.


Rick

 

[Stuart]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, please don't turn this into a right vs wrong issue