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I'm glad Gavin has been able to get the permit and also found a nice little group of them to establish them into the hobby.
I would be assuming that they will make it into over seas collections, and most likely in a legal way.
Without a doubt some of the offspring will be released into the care of Zoo's all around the world.
Once they start breeding them, some zoos can release excess stock into the hands of collectors with the correct permits etc.

I am pretty sure that's how it works, happy to stand corrected otherwise though.
 
Anyone who thinks oenpelli's are not already kept and bred overseas has their head in the sand. These animals that Gavin is attempting to breed are to supply customers who have already paid a deposit for the offspring. When he is successfull the customers will I assume pay the rest and have their snakes, this deal has been in place for some time.
 
And they will grow out and breed, and sell to anyone with the dollars to make their money back. It is a fantasy to beleive these snakes will recieve different treatment.
 
you can see the 2 oenpelli's Krauss hatched back in the 80's on the book "Reproductive Husbandry of Pythons and Boas" by Ross and Marzec
 
Peter was the first to breed Oenpelli's..... he wrote an article about it in Thylacinus. Monitor reprinted in the early 2000's ..... I re typed it out into a digital format for monitor. Ross and Marzec's data came from Peter.
 
Hope he brings a few more in captivity. When push comes to shove with the majority of small range animals the only chance they have is in captivity. We should be demanding more at risk species to be brought in. We can cringe about the hobby all day but either directly or indirectly climate change will finish them in the wild.
 
Are we seriously to beleive that Gavins are the only ones in existence in captivity?

As an aside,
How does everyone feel about these animals being crammed into tiny containers and smuggled overseas for huge dollars, and being cross bred with other morelia sub species and jags?
Is there a line in the sand with these "special' snakes, or does the hobby welcome the new blood to create more of the much loved mongrels that we see so prevalent today?
Cast your mind a few years down the road, they will be just like any other common captive python won't they?
A few people will gain legend status for bringing them in and "saving" them, while others with complete disregard for the mythology, evolution and provenence will be rubbing their hands together with glee at the thought of what they can now "produce".
Personally, I almost wish they were put back in the bush, knowing what this hobby has in mind for them.

imo if these became available over here,then it would only be PURE snakes that would be sought after.....

imo the Oenpellis are beautifull and very interesting snakes,with no need to turn into mongrels

i keep both Pure and Morph's in my Morelia collection...

if i lived in Australia i would most likely lean towards keeping Locale Specific Pure Morelia


cheers shaun
 
Tend to agree with shaun on this one cement

expensive 4metre slender snakes of very average colour and possibly difficult to breed have limited appeal
they really only appeal to serious collectors
 
I'm glad Gavin has been able to get the permit and also found a nice little group of them to establish them into the hobby.
I would be assuming that they will make it into over seas collections, and most likely in a legal way.
Without a doubt some of the offspring will be released into the care of Zoo's all around the world.
Once they start breeding them, some zoos can release excess stock into the hands of collectors with the correct permits etc.

I am pretty sure that's how it works, happy to stand corrected otherwise though.

Most zoos in other countries won't be interested in them - zoos these days are very particular about the breeding projects they undertake, and although they are of considerable interest to private keepers at the moment, I agree with longqi about the sorts of keepers they will appeal to. Personally, I think the keeper response to the availability of RSPs has been disappointing, considering the really interesting history this snake has. However, to most non-specialists RSPs have little visual appeal compared to the lollipop crap the morph and hybrid breeders are producing now. Only if you have an interest in the environment and herp natural history will these drab snakes have any appeal... I'm glad I'm in that group. Whilst there is no doubt that some of these new "bauble" snakes are spectacular, they are still basically battery hens producing a commodity for an artificial market. They are commodities, nothing more.

Jamie
 
I agree with you Jamie but at the end of the day they are all commodities. Even the pure locality stuff.
Once they are in captivity they aren't wildlife anymore.
 
Tend to agree with shaun on this one cement

expensive 4metre slender snakes of very average colour and possibly difficult to breed have limited appeal
they really only appeal to serious collectors

What ive heard is that they have a good temperament for a large python ,the colour is good IMO ,nice pattern ,colour change at night like a dirty big ghost childreni .
They would be a top line exhibit animal ,zoos would find them ticking the boxs IMO
 
I think these snakes look stunning. I also love RSP's, and I'd rather my 'boring' normal Darwin carpet python over all of the designer snakes out there.. I chose my snake because I have a keen interest in Australian snakes, and truly marvel at the amazing natural variety we have here.. Each with unique traits and histories etc.
 
interesting post and i must say i agree somewhat. Like every other australian python in captivity once they are established and regularly bred in the herp trade say in 10 years time their unique value will be lost and unknown to many buyers who are just after another big snake to show their friends. lets hope they are difficult to breed and remain rare in collections keeping them limited to seasoned old school keeper/breeders
Are we seriously to beleive that Gavins are the only ones in existence in captivity?

As an aside,
How does everyone feel about these animals being crammed into tiny containers and smuggled overseas for huge dollars, and being cross bred with other morelia sub species and jags?
Is there a line in the sand with these "special' snakes, or does the hobby welcome the new blood to create more of the much loved mongrels that we see so prevalent today?
Cast your mind a few years down the road, they will be just like any other common captive python won't they?
A few people will gain legend status for bringing them in and "saving" them, while others with complete disregard for the mythology, evolution and provenence will be rubbing their hands together with glee at the thought of what they can now "produce".
Personally, I almost wish they were put back in the bush, knowing what this hobby has in mind for them.
 
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