Not sure how they will control the sale of the anything in countries with no licensing regulations.
Im not pro Jags, (in fact the opposite) but Brian makes some good points and many of the morphs people enjoy in Oz today initially had heaps of problems until the genes have been out-crossed.
The nanny state of Australia is in full swing and hideously, many, perhaps most Australians are embracing the forceful removal of their own freedom. Really, this means they don't deserve to keep it. Reptile keeping in Australia may become far more restrictive in the future.
Wow, that was some hardcore repetition! Also very surprised to see Brian spreading a bit of misinformation (such as albino Corns having started out as deleterious!). Very strange because he's usually really good in this way (and pretty much all others too - great guy, I still think so overall).
A couple of people here seem to have missed something: Brian (the guy in the video) is in America. The ban is in the UK.
In the UK there is currently quite an extreme movement attempting to restrict and many hope to completely eliminate the keeping of reptiles. As Brian says, this is a very concerning slippery slope.
I personally do not like spiders or jags. I would be happier if everyone decided not to keep them. But, seeing them banned in a legally binding context is a terrible thing.
I'm not terribly surprised to see an Australian in the first response here saying they support the ban. Actually, the first three! Good grief, Australia is a sorry case! The nanny state of Australia is in full swing and hideously, many, perhaps most Australians are embracing the forceful removal of their own freedom. Really, this means they don't deserve to keep it. Reptile keeping in Australia may become far more restrictive in the future.
With around 25 years of snake breeding experience, a degree in biological science, a major in genetics, experience working in the genetics industry, I can not think of a single example. I can think of two fairly high profile false claims and a few smaller but also obviously false ones. Most notable is the albino Olive Python (which despite the claims have not changed at all - they are slightly problematic now and were slightly problematic to begin with, and outcrossing will never improve them, only selective inbreeding/linebreeding, the opposite of outcrossing, possibly might, but outcrossing will not help. The problem was 'fixed' by claiming that the problem was initially worse than it was, and then by comparison the current state looked better. As a geneticist with as much knowledge about this morph as anyone, I can tell you that even if you did make progress through careful inbreeding, outcrossing would take you back to where the morph started). You say there are 'many' such morphs in Australia but I don't believe there is even one actual example. Can you name one? The albino Nephrurus are still bad, the silk Beardies are still bad, the scaleless Adders haven't changed...
Anyway, if this was not going to affect anything else in any way at all I wouldn't particularly care, but it is a step in a very nasty direction and that direction is likely to continue, and seeing people actually embracing it here makes me think Australia has a troubled future, along with the UK (not that this is news to me).[/QU
Don't want to start an argument but I was misinformed, I didn't understand the whole story
https://www.aussiepythons.com/forum...-the-attack-on-reptile-keeping-in-qld.222661/what makes you think keeping will get more restrictive?
Im sure I hear this statement or parts of it every time you get involved in a discussion where you disagree with others experience or thoughts. There is no question that you are intelligent but you do come across as a narcissist when you continually throw these statements into conversations as though no one should doubt you.With around 25 years of snake breeding experience, a degree in biological science, a major in genetics, experience working in the genetics industry,
What do you mean by this and what makes you think keeping will get more restrictive?
Banning specific genotypes which cause neurological abnormalities is preventing animals from being purpose bred to be dysfunctional for the sake of appearance. It's an infringement on my personal freedom yes, but it is protecting the freedoms and rights of the animals.
I just don't see why you say Australia is so restrictive. In Australia you can keep pretty much anything native. Want a giant Lace Monitor? Taipan? Death Adder? All legal. The only illegal native species are crocodiles, sea-turtles and sea-snakes. Even then you are able to get exemptions.
Im sure I hear this statement or parts of it every time you get involved in a discussion where you disagree with others experience or thoughts. There is no question that you are intelligent but you do come across as a narcissist when you continually throw these statements into conversations as though no one should doubt you.
I have only been involved in reptiles for 30 years but granted most of that was experienced with animals seen as exotics in Oz. Dont have a degree in anything fancy, was always too busy providing for a family to take time out for a piece of paper that added no value to my earning potential.
I have seen the impact of breeding albino spotteds (albino to albino) & albino olives (albino to albino) here in Australia. Maybe I was mistaken and didnt see high fatality rates in either of those species. I guess science always has the answer even when it doesn't.
Let me go beat myself for saying out-crossed instead of line bred. You are the genetics expert and Im just a dumb working guy. My sincere apologies.what I say is still accurate, and what you said isn't.
No maybe needed.Hey, maybe I am
No maybe needed.
I'm still providing the accurate information and correcting the misinformation
You have experience to support your thoughts and my experience supports another opinion. Doesn't mean my information is incorrect nor does i mean im attempting to take the conversation off track.
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