Ok - by your reckoning then:
1) Do homing pigeons home because they know where there home is or because of advancements in their brain (magnetosomething word escapes me)?
2) Do fish manage to find their way back, especially salmon and trout, to their birth stream because they were given a map at birth?
A snake can familiarise itself with smell because it is one of the most attuned senses it has. Along with taste.
The same way a pigeon (homing) finds its way home is because it has that attuned sense. It is nothnig to do with conditioning at all!
I don't agree with Kelly however, you've proved you're not better than anyone else - you're merely an equal
Attuned senses and refining ability to memorise are very different things. I would say a snake has a brain the size of a pin head and its ability to store information and retrieve it woudl also be limited.
If I have used incorrect words it woudl be that I am a more attuned to physics than biology (or even chemistry although my memory failed me with that magneto word - so I wonder if a snake could have the issue to)
1. More along the lines that , pigeons don’t fly away because they have associated food with home. Birds have a far superior spatial memory system, which unusually is restricted to one hemisphere of their brain. Making it a very efficient system for its size. Either way, birds still need a point of reference in order to 'home', which dictates they have a superior 'map', regardless of how their measure it (magnetosomething).
2. The nature that fish have to swim upstream (more water rushing through gills) may not have anything to do with anything I've spoken about. The innate responses of a fish, and the observed behaviors of a snake are not comparable. Nor relevant.
3. Conditioning is relevant to both cases, even your pigeon, as a pigeon doesn't simply decide it loves you, and wants to bring you the letter. It goes home because it is conditioned to its flock, or its food, or something it associated at some point with safety or survival.
4. Ad hominem arguments are childish, and aren't worth attention.
5. Of course a snakes brain is limited, however, even a mouse can learn very sophisticated conditioned responses to fear, emotion, and cognition. My argument is that a snake can be conditioned\'trained', as that is the only way for an animal to survive in an environment of any kind. Animals are not set machines, they can be 'programmed' if you will.
If I need help with the splitting of entangled particles and the processes of quantum instant communication, i'll know where to find you.
Cheers
Sparty, honestly. Jumping on his case? It's called having a sense of humor, and with your lack of appreciation or understanding for this you try to make other people feel bad. What if I was a 12 year old? You just said the way these people have been 'talking garbage' is pathetic. How do you know these people aren't 12. There was no need to add the fact that you are getting another degree either. Good for you, and good luck with your life. But take that stick out mate.
He got laughed at... Thats not funny, it's derogatory and demeaning.
If I dont tell people my history, it wouldn't be taken seriously.
Thanks for the luck, you too.
Sorry for the stick, I dont like it when people are made fun of on here when they ask a question.
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