Alternative Reptile Care

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  1. longqi

    longqi Very Well-Known Member

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    Dont get me wrong about this
    Good reptile vets are worth their weight in gold
    But sometimes they cannot be contacted or an emergency situation crops up

    What can be done then??
    For most reptile medical problems, as with most human medical problems there are often natural alternatives
    Because of my location I have had to learn a lot of these and use them

    I didnt invent most of these cures but have tried them with varying amounts of success
    The level of success ranges from 'not much difference' to 'oh wow'

    If anyone is interested I can put together a few of the things I know work very well and drop them in here
     
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    abnrmal91 Very Well-Known Member

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    Yer extra ideas are always good.
     
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    splat868 Not so new Member

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    Hey longqi,

    Would love to see you ideas.

    thanks
     
  4. Twitch_80

    Twitch_80 Well-Known Member

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    I think thats a great idea.
     
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    thexbluexfairy Suspended Banned

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    I would love to hear about it. anything that is new and could help in a situation is always valuable.
     
  6. ssssnakeman

    ssssnakeman Almost Legendary

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    A home 1st aid kit for reptiles is a great thing to have,
    Ideas for the contents of such a kit??
     
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    abnrmal91 Very Well-Known Member

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    Bloody longqi comes on here gives us a teaser then logs out. Lol looking forward to hearing them
     
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    a first aid kit for snakes and lizards would be kinda cool and helpful if vets arent open or away or something :)
     
  9. sandman1

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    Bring it on longqi . Anything that can help is always a good thing
     
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    cement Subscriber Subscriber APS Veteran

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    Betadine (spray on)
    tubes
    tweezers
    water bottle
    tissues/paper towel
    sharp scissors
    hammer
    antiseptic hand wash
    Bandages for the human who loses control!

    Need much more then this and you probably need a vet.
     
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    Ok, I'll bite. What's the hammer for?

    Or maybe I don't want to know...
     
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    What's the hammer for? That's how I fix stuff at work not the herp room
     
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    ssssnakeman Almost Legendary

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    I borrowed this..

    The Basics

    Most of this is fairly straight forward. I prefer to do things as sterile as possible but it is a must when treating open wounds.


    • Sterile and non sterile gloves
    • Scissors
    • Tweezers
    • Thermometer - for checking vivarium temperatures.
    • Probes
    • Tapes
    • Bandages
    • Gauze
    • Clingfilm - for burns, after applying flamazine cream clingfilm can be secured in place.
    • Cotton wool & Cotton buds[​IMG]

    Extra Basics
    These are a little more specialised. If you need to give antibiotics (only under veterinary supervision) you will need sterile equipment, always use a new syringe and needle.


    • Stethoscope
    • Forceps (different kinds) - removing retained eye caps.
    • Various size sterile syringes- injecting, tube feeding, flushing wounds.
    • Various size sterile needles - injecting
    • Sterile Swabs
    • Scalpel blades & Stitch cutters
    • Tick Remover
    Ointments & Solutions
    • KY Jelly - probing, softening retained skin[​IMG]
    • Povidone Iodine Solution - skin cleaner
    • Hibiscrub - skin cleaner (milder than above)
    • Alcohol Hand Gel - sterilising hands between animals
    • F10 - nebulising, disinfectant
    • Eye and Skin Ointment - minor wounds
    • Eye Drops/Vicotears - retained eye caps
    • Mayuka Honey - wound treatment
    • Euculiptus oil - can be used for alternative treatment of respiratory infections.
    • Vasaline - softening retained skin, protecting wounds
    • Spirit - skin cleaner, cleaning equiment

    Nutritional Support


    • Poweraid or Rehydration Powder - used for rehydration, usually the reptile is bathed in a diluted solution. Poweraid is readily available. Royal Canine offer an electrolyte powdered solution that works in the same manner.Carnivore Vitamin Paste
    • Repti-boost - probiotic combination of bacteria, enzymes, electrolytes and vitamins
    • Avipro Plus - prebiotic and probiotic blend enhanced with vitamins A, C & E, useful for animals undergoing veterinary treatment as it boosts the immune system
    • Zo-Cal D - Liquid Calcium and D3, used for treatment of nutritional hyperparathyroidism (MBD)
    • Critical Care Formula - emergency feeding of ANY SPECIES
    • Emeraid - Full nutritional support for the long term management of none feeding animals.
    Other
    • [​IMG]Frontline spray - Mite treatment
    • Panacur/Drontal - Worming treatment
    • ARDAP - Mite treatment
    • Nebulizer - RI treatment

    Specialised
    These can only be obtained from a veterinary practice and should not be used without the direction of a suitably qualified vet.


    • Fluid - Saline/Hartmans/Glucose Saline - Nutritional support, nebuslising, wound cleaning
    • Flamazine - wounds, burns
    • Antibiotics - Fortum/Amakin/Marbocyl
    • Metacam - anti-inflamatory
     
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    Pretty good start here

    Probably the most under-utilised one anywhere on those lists is PowerAde
    AWESOME STUFF
    It contains all kinds of goodies that work better on reptiles than they do on people
    For rehydrating snakes there is nothing better
    AND
    Its a great stimulant for fussy or non feeders

    If we get in crook snakes that is the first thing we do
    We dilute it 1 water to 3 Powerade for bathing but if they are in a bad way also syringe some straight down their throats
    With the bathing I just put slitherer in a click clack [see they can be useful] and have the liquid about 2c above normal viv temperatures for that type of snake
    Keep an eye on it and remove it after about 10 minutes into a damp tea towel etc for a few hours
    Within 24hrs the slitherer will be fine and active
    The results are really good especially for mummy snakes after laying and hatching
    Ive mostly used this on snakes and not so often on lizards
    But I have used it on Comb Dragons to great effect too
    Combs are very similar to Boyds being a bit fussy and tricky to get healthy and feeding

    Now I recently had a problem that thankfully was fixed
    One suggestion made was Cuttlefish bone
    Subsequently have played with this on a couple of chondros and retics with Stomasis
    Stomasis is both nasty and just the final evidence of another hidden problem
    Not easy to cure and often results in mouth operations to remove infected gums etc etc
    I syringed one chondro and one retic with powdered cuttlefish bone [stuff budgies play with]
    then also added the powder to all their water
    All of the snakes showed very rapid improvement and they were all feeding within two weeks
    No scalpels and no heavy medication
    Zero signs of any return so could be worth investigating more

    Sometimes a snake will get constipated
    Often a bath in warm water cures this
    Sometimes it doesnt
    Powerade Prune Juice and Water in equal amounts clears out the worst blockages usually within 48 hours
    Simply mix it up and syringe it straight down their throats
    You dont need to use much so dont try to fill the whole gut cavity with the liquid

    RI or respiratory infection is just plain yucky
    Usually arrives because your temps were too low for too long
    Basically your snake has the flu
    Similar symptoms and it can kill snakes fairly quickly
    One of the biggest problems with RI is the type of medication
    Baytril works well either injected or orally
    BUT
    Afterwards vets usually tell you to avoid any form of stress for the snake and that often includes breeding
    Snakes treated with Baytril etc are very susceptible to RI in the future and second treatments of Baytril dont seem to work very well
    This method I will describe is pretty time consuming but well worth a try as it clears up RI extremely well

    Get a click clack type thing [plastic box with plenty of ventilation holes]
    Get a bigger plastic box like a Woolworths storage box without holes
    Get a plastic kitchen jug
    Ingredients
    1 litre boiling water
    10 drops oil of eucalypt
    Half [1/2] tespoon of Vicks vapour rub

    Slitherer in ventilated box
    Ventilated box into bigger plastic box
    Jug of hot water Vicks and Eucalypt into the bigger box but not in direct contact with the small one
    Put the lid on the bigger container and have a beer
    Leave snake alone for about 10 minutes then back into its viv
    Here is the bit that lots of Aussie vets disagree with [they normally recommend less humidity]
    Up the humidity by 15% and temps by 2 or 3 Degrees Celcius
    Repeat this twice a day for about 3 weeks
    Has never failed yet even on snakes blowing bubbles and gasping etc

    You have just made a steam bath for your snake
    Exactly the same treatment our grannies used on us

    Once again I am not trying to replace vet treatment here
    Simply offering a few things up that have worked for me
     
  15. Chris

    Chris Guest

    This thread should be made a sticky, some great info already in here, keep it building guys.
     
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    Half of this stuff is so basic . It really makes me want to smack myself in the head , For not thinking of it myself
     
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    Thanks for the input its good to know that there are little things that we as caregivers can do to ease our mates ailments especially if the problem is nipped in the bud.Any other positive tried and true methods out there? Keep 'em coming guys
     
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    Please make this a sticky!
     
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    The RI treament is such a no brainer why have I not thought of that, I have a flu now and wouldnt mind sticking my head in one of those boxes thats for sure.
     
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    We used LOADS of home remedies on my horses when I was younger. Which I also carried across to my dogs. Things like potato pultice's for bruising and swelling, copper sulphate (bluestone I think we called it) for large wounds to avoid proud flesh (permenant fleshy scaring) Granugen for drying out infections (not available anymore, but it was a people/pharmacy thing, have no idea what it was used for with people but it was sooooooo good for the horses)

    There's so much out there that helps that's not vet prescribed. i'm one that is VERY thankful when people share :-D

    PLEASE NOTE: DO NOT USE THESE ABOVE PRODUCTS ON REPTILES
     
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