Anti Gay America, Rick Perry

[RIXI]

Let's talk about how the education system in this country is obviously failing.

did you not understand what was typed?

then who gives a *f* didnt know this joint was full of punctuality police!

While marriage isnt for some of us, there are alot of people who do believe greatly in marriage & what it symbolises..........the point is, it isnt our place to judge who they marry!

As for your list of 'real' problems', i agree completely, there is nothing rational about arguing about marriage being for man & woman only, while children are dying.......however, it shouldnt need to be argued in the first place, get rid of stupid laws, & there wouldnt be an argument on this topic!

agreed, it just seems a waste of resources and time (a big red tape with 300 polies with scissors saying "you cut it!" "NO you cut it")

 

[jacks-pythons]

the funny thing about the whole gays not having rights is that the people making the biggest noise about the situation are people who believe in jesus to the full extent and belive that homosexuality is a sin. got news for you guys, the bible teaches us to love everyone. so put that in your pipe and smoke it. im not trying to offend any one but i dont believe in jesus. answer me this, when has he ever answered your prayers?? answer is never because nothing can ever happen with out your own actions taken to promote the outcome of the situation. im not gay but i have no problem with gays and fully support everthing they wish. y cant they get married? whats the difference with what they do behind closed doors? how is having a ring on their finger any different to any other day in life besides some more expensive jewlery? there is no argument, gays should have the same rights as everyone.

 

[moosenoose]

the bible teaches us to love everyone.

....errrr....except the part where it says God hates homosexuals...did you read that part? :lol:

It's also mentioned in the Bible that they don't like relations before marriage either...so I guess we're all going to the same big fun fest :lol:

 

[Recharge]

so gay people cant be happy without a certificate of marrage??...

while we (humans) claim to be intelegent and argue over pieces of paper....300,000 children are dying, we're killing off mother earth....but hey im all for gay marrage.....

Trivial argument.... lets argue somthing worth arguing... am i out of line?

yep, we should do absolutely nothing else other than the "important" issues eh?
I don't even.. (who decides what's important? electricity? roads? human rights? equality? I'm sure a lot of people have a lot of different views on each issue, but it comes back to, why do you want to deny them this equality? how does it effect you to let them "marry"? otherwise, why do you seem to oppose it?

and yes, you are out of line, this is a major inequality within an active supposed modern society, how can you not see it? would it be different if it were Asians not allowed marry? sexuality is innate as race.

and as to your question to crystal.. well, I guess educated people? :lol:
you could always install a spell checker into your browser?
meh, and no, I'm not picking on you, it's a light hearted poke
but you did react awfully well just after saying this group of people should shut up about their issue.. irony? oh well, it made me giggle :lol:

 

[snakeluvver]

the bible teaches us to love everyone.

The bible is the most hypocritical thing every wrote. One second it tells us we'll die and burn for our sins, then it says that Jesus loves everyone and that he died to forgive all our sins. Then it says that the time of trial will come when we're judged for our sins and will be punished.
Wow.

 

[Crystal..Discus]

did you not understand what was typed?

then who gives a *f* didnt know this joint was full of punctuality police!

Being able to spell and punctuate like an adult makes a difference. It tells us that you're an educated person who (at least on face value) understands what they're talking about, not some pre-teen with a superiority complex and a keyboard.

 

[Snowman]

I think WA's strict reptile keeping issues are more important than this topic.
Then the homeless, the children, the starving, the whales, the cane toads, the carbon tax, palm oil, war, etc etc...

 

[mmafan555]

I got a PM from mmafan with the title: I may be moving to New Zealand sooner than I thought.

"Former governor of Texas...now Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry....Is currently polling 3rd or 4th in the Republican presidential primary.


So yeah I may be leaving America shortly...."

Sorry mmafan if I put this out there and you didn't want me to - but I think you've highlighted a wonderful point. Americans DON'T have to put up with this rubbish! They have a choice, a freedom to move and a freedom to VOTE!

There are enough rednecks in America (and other countries) that would love to see the vote through - but, if you can start by getting the right people on the right side, there's no way on EARTH Prick Erry will get in to power!

"On 19 September 1893 the governor, Lord Glasgow, signed a new Electoral Act into law. As a result of this landmark legislation, New Zealand became the first self-governing country in the world in which all women had the right to vote in parliamentary elections."

It's not much different to that. And again, does NZ really have to lead the way with everything?

"Civil union has been legal in New Zealand since 26 April 2005. The Civil Union Act to establish the institution of civil union for same-sex and opposite-sex couples was passed by the Parliament on 9 December 2004."

Not to mention anti-nuclear stance etc etc... but that's off track.

Now before everyone goes bashing up Christians because of their anti-gay stances - check again, it's a minority in some cases. In NZ, again, some of the biggest debate FOR civil unions came from Christian groups - now, this isn't my side of things (of course) but when you see that there is a majority of people out there, although slender as it is, any vote for is a good vote!

So - it is possible to get the voter to vote the right way... It's a matter of getting out there to make it HAPPEN!

By the way - here's how NZ parties voted for Civil Unions:

Party Voted For Voted Against
Labour Party 45 6
National Party 3 24
New Zealand First 1 12
ACT 5 4
Green Party 9 0
United Future 0 8
Progressive Party 2 0
Maori Party 0 1
Totals 65 55

Spot the Christian party....

Sorry - the formatting didn't work here - if you want to see the page Civil union in New Zealand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Labour was in power - so National would naturally vote against.

Yeah it's not even that I'm like super left wing or anything..I'm not at all...I maybe lean left in general but I would vote for a right leaning conservative on occassion if I lived in another country.

But thats the problem...The right wing in New Zealand (atleast from my understanding of it) is not like the right wing in America..The left and right wing actullay stand together and agree on issues of common sense..Where as in American if the "left wing" even suggests to the Right wing that you know...maybe its not really a good idea to dump toxic hazardous waste into the rivers or ocean then the right wing responds with 'OMG YOU ARE SOCIALISTS TRYING TO DESTROY THE FREE MARKETS OMG...ANTI-AMERICAN SOCIALISTS CARE MORE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT THAN FREEDOM AND AMERICA HERPDEEDUURP" that's unfortunately the level of retardation that the right wing is known for in America. They aren't even conservative because they love to spend endless amounts of money policing the world to "SPREAD OUR FREEDOM" and are just a bunch of war mongering religious pandering retards.( well they aren't stupid but the people who vote for them are)

I guarentee there will be a war with Iran if any of them get elected...There may even be one if Obama gets relelected( and I'm no Obama fan) but their will definately be one if any of the neo-cons get elected.

Gingrich has already said that he wants to end the environmental protection agency...so look forward to retarded cigarette smoking rednecks machine gunning wolves and bears from helicopters as well as an assortment of other wonders that will result from having almost no environmental protection policies etc. Because of course, if you care about the envirnoment you must be a RADICAL LEFT WING AMERICA HATING SOCIALIST!

I left Ron Paul out of the equation because he will never get elected.

 

[moosenoose]

Life is just so joyous, isn't it? :lol: Nothing difficult about it at all

 

[Nighthawk]

Life is simple, people just like to over-complicate and over-think things.

 

[Megzz]

The bible is the most hypocritical thing every wrote. One second it tells us we'll die and burn for our sins, then it says that Jesus loves everyone and that he died to forgive all our sins. Then it says that the time of trial will come when we're judged for our sins and will be punished.
Wow.

I'm far from Christian myself yet even I know its more involved than that.

 

[waruikazi]

save the ghey whales

I know this thread is kinda dead and buried now but i wanted to share something that happened this morning that may lend weight to the idea that sexuality is atleast partially genetic.

Anyway a short conversation followed, some i already knew but some i didn't. I have an uncle on my mum's side who was born a woman and transitioned in the late 80's and now identifies as a straight man, which i already knew about. But i didn't know that i also have (had, he passed away about 10 years ago) an uncle, also on my mum's side, who did not identify as straight.

So out of seven of us (if you include me and my two siblings plus my mum and her three siblings) there are three in my family that openly don't identify as the social norm...

I know it's only a small sample size, our two nuclear families, and gender identity and sexual identity are two different things. But it is rather suspicious!

 

[Recharge]

Good on ya waruikazi, the best we can do in life is try to be "ourselves" as much as we can, to push past our own fears and predigest and those of others, and live as true to ourselves as much as possible.
as far as we know, we only get one shot, so might as well throw caution to the wind (within reason) and be who we are in our minds.
it may not be any easier, but you'll have a much better chance of being happy more often
many more people could be enjoying life much more if they just let go of the fear of what others *may* think.

 

[starr9]

Wow!! Good work for taking that step Waruikazi!!

I will say right back on one of the pages on this issue someone put up a very interesting link to a you tube vid where people where asked if they thought some ppl were born gay or choose to be gay. The ppl would answer and the person would ask them this " When did you choose to be straight?" It made most of the ppl stop and think very hard about it from there on out!

 

[waruikazi]

Lol thanks, i only shared that cause i thought the incidence of being that way inclined is rather high in my family.

 

[Exotic_Doc]

Lol thanks, i only shared that cause i thought the incidence of being that way inclined is rather high in my family.

Good on you for being true to yourself man

 

[waruikazi]

Oh FFS i hate this kind of attention.

 

[starr9]

Oh FFS i hate this kind of attention.

hahahaha! enjoy it i say!!!

 

[Rattler]

I personally see being an ignorant bigot as being a greater sin than being gay.

Here I'll even quote your own fairy-tale back at you.

[h=4]Matthew 7[/h][h=5]Judging Others[/h] [SUP]1[/SUP] “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. [SUP]2[/SUP] For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. [SUP]3[/SUP] “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? [SUP]4[/SUP] How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? [SUP]5[/SUP] You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Ezekiel 3:17,21
“Son of man, a watchman is what I have made you to the house of Israel, and you must hear from my mouth speech and you must warn them from me. When I say to someone wicked, ‘You will positively die,’ and you do not actually warn him and speak in order to warn the wicked one from his wicked way to preserve him alive, he being wicked, in his error he will die, but his blood I shall ask back from your own hand. But as for you, in case you have warned someone wicked and he does not actually turn back from his wickedness and from his wicked way, he himself for his error will die; but as for you, you will have delivered your own soul.
And when someone righteous turns back from his righteousness and actually does injustice and I must put a stumbling block before him, he himself will die because you did not warn him. For his sin he will die, and his righteous acts that he did will not be remembered, but his blood I shall ask back from your own hand. And as for you, in case you have warned someone righteous that the righteous one should not sin, and he himself does not actually sin, he will without fail keep on living because he had been warned, and you yourself will have delivered your own soul.”

 

[waruikazi]

Ezekiel 3:17,21
“Son of man, a watchman is what I have made you to the house of Israel, and you must hear from my mouth speech and you must warn them from me. When I say to someone wicked, ‘You will positively die,’ and you do not actually warn him and speak in order to warn the wicked one from his wicked way to preserve him alive, he being wicked, in his error he will die, but his blood I shall ask back from your own hand. But as for you, in case you have warned someone wicked and he does not actually turn back from his wickedness and from his wicked way, he himself for his error will die; but as for you, you will have delivered your own soul.
And when someone righteous turns back from his righteousness and actually does injustice and I must put a stumbling block before him, he himself will die because you did not warn him. For his sin he will die, and his righteous acts that he did will not be remembered, but his blood I shall ask back from your own hand. And as for you, in case you have warned someone righteous that the righteous one should not sin, and he himself does not actually sin, he will without fail keep on living because he had been warned, and you yourself will have delivered your own soul.”

This is straight from the son of God's mouth, none of this messenger bizzo!

1 John 1:9-10

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and
just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we
claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place
in our lives.