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We have a whole 6 stimsons for sale and I haven't sold any . I have noticed that a lot of the 'average looking snakes 'are not selling quickly on here .

are there too many available ? are they too expensive ? are people on here looking for that 'special snake for their breeding program ?

or has the hoby hit a plateau ? I don't think the last is true , going by the number of people at this years expo's

what are your thoughts ??

As much as we enjoyed the breeding process ( done mainly for our daughters interest and supposed involvement ) (( FAIL)) we will not do it again as we care too much about the animals . My wife is attached to them but room is a factor . As I am sure it is with all breeders .
 
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More market choice almost always equates to more waste. The unfortunate thing here is we're not dealing with fruit and veg, but animals many of us claim to love:(....JMO, of course:).
 
The market is flooded at the moment. Wild type coastals and anterasia won't sell for more than $100. I picked up a 4 year old coastal the other day for $70. The guy selling it had it on gumtree for months without a single phone call until he lowered the price to $70.

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The market is flooded at the moment. Wild type coastals and anterasia won't sell for more than $100. I picked up a 4 year old coastal the other day for $70. The guy selling it had it on gumtree for months without a single phone call until he lowered the price to $70.

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I don't know if there's any "at the moment" with either of the species you mentioned, it's been way over supplied for years with these and many other easily bred species. I know of people who haven't sold one hypo Bredli in many months, despite price drops, nice snake that was very popular several years ago., but nix now.......go figure.
 
Yea good point. The only snake I have that cost me decent money was my bhp.

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would they sell better if I added %0 possible albino !! ??
 
I think its highly dependant of the quality of stock. All of my coastals went for a minimum of 250 with some for significantly more. I am actually finding it hard to keep up with demand. I think with coastals in particular, a good quality pair goes a long way.

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I haven`t been in the hobby for long but in my time I`ve been surprised by the number of new keepers that are prepared to fork out up to $1000 for their first snake, add onto this the cost of setting up enclosures and it can be easily a $1500 investment for something that might be a passing fad. It seems the days of starting out with something cheaper like a bredli or spotted are gone and people want that wow factor. I`ve spent a little money but a few years putting together a collection of various coloured diamonds (as they are my favourite python) that should be ready to breed in the next year or two, I have a few that I haven't seen anything like out there so I`m hoping they`ll be popular, not so much to make money but rather to sell easily for a reasonable price to cover some costs. But I have to admit I`ve had doubts whether I`m heading down the right track or not.
I don't mean to spark the old debate about purists and morph breeders but I've predominantly been a purist but my views are changing due to there being a very small market for pure animals. But in trying to make my hobby self sufficient and not a burden on the family budget I need to sell some cheaper snakes before I can invest in some quality morphs and hopefully not come into it 2 to 3 years behind the 8 ball.
 
I haven`t been in the hobby for long but in my time I`ve been surprised by the number of new keepers that are prepared to fork out up to $1000 for their first snake, add onto this the cost of setting up enclosures and it can be easily a $1500 investment for something that might be a passing fad. It seems the days of starting out with something cheaper like a bredli or spotted are gone and people want that wow factor. I`ve spent a little money but a few years putting together a collection of various coloured diamonds (as they are my favourite python) that should be ready to breed in the next year or two, I have a few that I haven't seen anything like out there so I`m hoping they`ll be popular, not so much to make money but rather to sell easily for a reasonable price to cover some costs. But I have to admit I`ve had doubts whether I`m heading down the right track or not.
I don't mean to spark the old debate about purists and morph breeders but I've predominantly been a purist but my views are changing due to there being a very small market for pure animals. But in trying to make my hobby self sufficient and not a burden on the family budget I need to sell some cheaper snakes before I can invest in some quality morphs and hopefully not come into it 2 to 3 years behind the 8 ball.

This is true.

Currently I'm looking at investing another several thousands of dollars in a snake that will set my collection apart.

GTPs and albinos have lost their rarity. So its only matter of time before something else takes over

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Yep.
and what's happening to all the unsellable jag sibs/coastals/childrens/ beardies/bluies etc etc?
surely nobody would just dump them in the garden, because all breeders are responsible, environmentally aware animal lovers who are only in it for the experience...
 
I'm not sure about every one else, but the things I think about is space and cost. I would have all the breeds that I could, but I am limited on space and with the price of electricity to keep the tanks heated plays a big part. So with those 2 main factors I get selective on what I purchase now. I own both a bredli and coastal and would never consider getting rid of them, but it isn't something that I will buy again. My next purchases will be another BHP, a Woma, and then probably some jags.
 
The idea of selling some specimens is probably obsolete. Once the market is flooded it will be "free to good home".
Slowly starting to see the market flooded in WA. But animals are still moving......... Stimis about $200 for average specimens. I guess given they live for so long that each season not only are there new hatchies, but the all the snakes from previous years. How big can the snake population get?
I'm all for wild type specimens. But people need to be selective about what they are pairing if they want to move them.
 
A lot of people also go to the commercialised sellers over private breeders. It's more easily accessible and they're usually more willing to freight. It's easier to source a snake from someone with a big name then find a breeder.


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I think alot of the issues this year are due to the lack of money hanging around.
For example in the hunter everyweek another company is closing. About 500 people lost there job just last week. That paired with everyone scared over the new budget has no one wanting to spend the $ on animals.
But yes I think animals are being over bred, alot of people are wanting reptiles ready to breed, they dont want hatchlings to raise. I have had people ask if I have any adult pairs as the first thing they want to do is breed without the wait. With no prior exp in a species (geckos)
This is another group being flooded with adverage animals
 
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A lot of people also go to the commercialised sellers over private breeders. It's more easily accessible and they're usually more willing to freight. It's easier to source a snake from someone with a big name then find a breeder.


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A lot of people also go to the commercialised sellers over private breeders. It's more easily accessible and they're usually more willing to freight. It's easier to source a snake from someone with a big name then find a breeder.

You usually pay more for the same thing through a commercial breeder though.

Something I`ve just considered is this; I currently have diamond intergrades for sale, they are natural intergrades, not crosses being sold off as pure. I know this can scare some people off because they don't fully understand what an intergrade is, but I wonder how they would sell if I advertised them as diamond/ coastal crosses? Would people be more willing to buy one for the same price?
 
I agree that you definitely pay more for them, buts it's amazing how the ease and convince factor comes into it.


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Yeah I know what your saying, probably close to half of my inquiries have asked me to freight but I cant be stuffed!:)
 
I reckon maybe you'd get more people from listing them as a cross instead of an intergrade because like dogs are crosses and people are familiar with dogs.
 
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