aussie native gtps

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  1. albino

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    that's a big call, Nick. if you're not right, you've just created another ton of propaganda. are your claims based on the fact that you received "virtually no responses" because that doesn't persuade me. you are also very loose with the term hybrid, intraspecific matings cannot be hybrids, and there aren't even any recorded subspecies with any taxonomic recognition (this is likely to happen eventually, as you say)
     
  2. wokka

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    I have noticed with many pythons but in particular GTPs that color seems to have low heretibility. This does not appear to be the view of the majority of the Australian herp community, which I note generally has a very small sample from which to form their views.Most recently I attended Greg Maxwells talk and he would have to promote himself as a meticulous breeder chasing particular color morphs.After a number of generations he is still only producing a few individuals of the color morph he's chasing in each clutch .
    I have recently looked at quite a few of last years "Australian Hatchoes" which now reside in various parts of Aus but originatied from the same clutch bred in Cairns.The animals vary dramatically. I am told that one Aussie line has the white down its back and the other doesn,t. Of course all the animals I saw released last year didn't, but then thats part of good marketing. You have to keep interest in the pot of gold so the punters keep chasing the rainbow.
    With such low heretibility the progress towards predictable color morphs will be slow so the challenges will continue to maitain interest in the herp community.
     
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    There is no big deal about Ausie GTPs and no one is saying that they are "better" than the rest. The difference is, there is a bloodline with known origin. Something we can't say (with certainty) about the others. Ausie GTPs may appeal to keepers / breeders who appreciate pure locality bloodline. They are more expensive because there are fewer of them in collections.
    As to the white dots - native GTPs ALWAYS have vertebral dots / lines, sometimes even small dots all over the body (this is rare). These markings are usually pure white but on some individuals they may be creamy to almost yellow. If you see GTP with white dots scattered all over but not lined up along the spine - it's not an native animal!
     
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    Is Greg Maxwell the God?
    Please look up the word "mongrel' in a dictionary - I have a mongrel dog and it's the most beautiful and loving animal. Of course all GTPs are special but they are not all the same.
     
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    Hey, I'm not the one contradicting myself in two posts in the same thread!

    BTW, I took your advice and looked up the Australian Macquarie Dictionary and it states that aside from being of mixed breeding etc, a mongrel is "of little or no value"
     
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    So your implying that noone is capable of breeding them here?
     
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    Here are some advanced aussie chondros.
    Photo's are from Iron Range,
    Cheers
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    Like it or not the various forms of GTP are different, at least as different as the various forms of carpet python, and on a genetic level they are even more distinct.

    My opinions are based on the available data, virtually all of wich supports the notion that viridis represents more than one taxon. included in this are three genetic studies. A fourth genetic study is underway on the entire genus, I myself contributed over 40 samples to that study.

    Most over here hide behind the "one species" arguement, but its really obvious in the flesh how different they are.

    I have the luxury of having owned probably 30 GTP from all the various regions.

    When you can hold them in your hands and look at the various localities its hard to make the arguement that they are one species.

    And the endless Greg Maxwell worship is a huge problem. He is one man with his opinion, he wrote a very flawed book wich presents his opinion as if it were fact, and everyone wants to take it as such.

    An on the issue of Native Aussie GTPs, as an outsider looking in, everything from Australia is better!

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    on the white striping, it comes in with age, and most captive bred animals display less white than their wild counterparts. There is some reason to suspect that natural light intensity is a factor in this..


    Nick
     
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    Nick, don't try and further complicate the situation for us over here :) We already have all Greens lobbed in together and God only knows what would happen if they decide to seperate them into 3 or 4 different sub species. I would hazzard a guess and say that most people buying a Green have little interest in it's origins as 99% over here could come from absolutely anywhere and the chances of buying a hatchling from 2 parents from same locale are slim at best and would be a result of good luck rather than good judgement.
     
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    Can't wait for your book to come out Nick!
    Professional jealousy perhaps?
     
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    LOL Nick, I've seen you make that comment about them being separated before and like before when I now ask you to show us something to back up what you have said in this thread, You will hem and haw but as usual provide nothing other than your word. Well I for one don't take Nick's word when it comes to Chondro's so how about something we can see here Nick??

    If you guys want to see adult Designers let me know and I'll post some links to forums where you can find a whole lot of them.. Randy
     
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    regardless of the species of reptile, there are ALWAYS people who are willing to pay for and keep locality specific animals. The price for locality animals depends on what the seller is willing to part with them for and what the buyer is willing to pay. It doesn't matter what is the perceived market price is for a species, people will always set the price. JMO
     
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    ravensgait please post the links.
     
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    This kinda reminds me of the people that like to mention DNA work on Carpets has negated the sub-species..?
    I think some preliminary finding were presented at a herp club. but a completed paper hasn't been published as of yet?

    Not to launch this thread off topic, but if a complete paper has been published online could someone pm me?



    Don't worry, from the inside looking out its just as magnificent :)


    Matt
     
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    wat makes gtp's so special anyway is it because they r so rare and cost so much, to me they r just a green carpet tht i would never be able to afford so y wld i get excited about them when there is many more lovely snakes tht i can afford and keep.
     
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    That is the one i am talking about. dam thats a nice snake.
     
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    It's one of those things...once you've seen a true Aussie next to a mixed or non-Aussie, you can spot the difference. True Aussie greens are just awesome.
     
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