Aussie reptiles... YOU are building a solid future!

Discussion in 'Australian Snakes' started by Lockie, Mar 9, 2008.

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  1. rockman

    rockman Well-Known Member

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    DAMN , that was hard to read ...............after a 6pack , LOL
    Cheers




     
  2. urodacus_au

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    :lol: those beasts do look mighty similar....so whos full of manure? One of you folk are going to look stupid, and i bet i can guess who.....
     
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    Took ages to write too but had to be done and i couldn't put it any shorter,ah well you get that huh?:lol3 Billys later it was taking much longer:lol::
     
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    caustichumor Very Well-Known Member

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    Waiting for a rebuttal... lol
     
  5. Miss B

    Miss B Very Well-Known Member

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    Blackghost, you actually want people to believe that the snake in your avatar is not the snake in the pic BROWNS posted? :lol:

    Here's a bit of fiddling I just did with Photoshop.

    Pic 1: The snake from the photo that BROWNS posted, cropped down.
    Pic 2: Same pic after a bit of editing ... note that I've removed the green grass and the face pattern has changed slightly.
    Pic 3: The edited pic, downsized to avatar dimensions.
    Pic 4: Blackghost's avatar.

    Who do you think you're kidding? LOL.

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  6. BROWNS

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    Well done MissB i tried to do the same but am hopeless with photoshop but knew people would see it a mile away....i think he's just been skoonted:lol:
     
  7. Australis

    Australis Almost Legendary

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    This thread has sure taken a intresting turn.............

    Might be time for a new username BlackGhost LOL
    Better luck next time eh.
     
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    eladidare Very Well-Known Member

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    SPOT ON!
     
  9. expansa1

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    The way conservation in Australia is heading I would say that as authorities fight their way over the red tape and bureaucratic B.S that seems to run Government organisations, soon endangered species will be able to be released back into the wild as we have done in the past and are doing. We as private breeders have set a precedence so now it's up to the rest of Australia to follow suit.

    It isn't impossible guys and girls, it can be done! Here in QLD we thought that there would be no chance of being able to do this but have eventually convinced authorities how important the gene pool of reptiles kept by amateur herpetologists such as yourselves is.

    Also, and most importantly, conservation is also about education. Every time one of your neighbours kids or one of your relatives comes to your place to see your collection, believe it or not you are contributing to conservation in Australia in a huge way. You are helping to change the old and ignorant mindset associated with reptiles and especially pythons and snakes!

    So we have our reptile collection, take them to schools, even have bus loads of children from schools visit us to see our breeding setup for endangered turtles which helps to set the wheels in motion with the younger generation and sometimes the older ones.

    Below is a photo of myself presenting Travis the MRTand trying to convince the Minister for the Environment - Peter Garrett of the importance of the Mary River turtle as a Matter of National Environmental Significance (M.N.E.S) under the EPBC act and that the whole ecosytem is needed to be protected for this species to continue into the future, as well as other endangered and vulnerable species like the Mary River Cod and Mary River Lungfish. We are currently trying to have some very important habitat declared vulnerable under the EPBC act so that it will be protected and not destroyed.
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    A perfect example of captive animals and breeding is in another thread posted by Australis as seen below.
    "A rare native fish discovered swimming in an abandoned Northern Territory uranium mine is close to being bred in captivity.

    The barraway's carp gudgeon was discovered in the abandoned Sleisbeck mine pit in Kakadu National Park.

    It is hoped captive breeding of the fish could help protect the species and provide income for traditional owners.

    Ornamental fish breeder Dave Wilson says he's already received enquires from overseas collectors who are keen to aquire the small rare native fish.

    "It's reasonably attractive and could be used as an aquarium subject. So we are interested in, in conjunction with the local people there
    breeding the fish and offering it to the aquarium trade to use it. From that, we will give some back to the local people to manage their land with a percentage of the sales."

    The fish is native to Kakadu National Park, and the NT Museum's Dr Helen Larson believes aqaurium sales could sure up the species' future.

    "In order to protect things with a restricted distributions like this, it's very good to have captive populations so that if anything does happen in the future
    - an accident, climate change, development, anything - and the habitat is damaged, we can put back specimens that have been captive bred."

    But Mr Wilson warns that the fish are very difficult to successfully breed in captivity.

    "The eggs will hatch after a couple of days and they get these microscopic little larvae that that haven't got very big mouths and need very small foods.
    Quite a lot of the larvae need a particular type of movement to excite them into actually eating. If that's missing, you are not successful as they just don't eat."
     
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  10. Jason2

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    Geeeeezzzzzzzzzz Browns you'll need a holiday after posting your LONG speel. it was a toss up between a rum or a coffee to finish reading it....well done.....looks like I was right about the pic.

    Expansa.....good pic...nice to know someone is talking to to the heads, not all that sure if it will do any good but one has to keep in mind the old Scottish tale about the spider
     
  11. expansa1

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    Thanks Jason2, we'll keep trying to convince whoever we can to get the job done.
    One question though, what is the old Scottish tale about the spider?
     
  12. Eylandt

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    expansa1, I do understand the points you are making as education is important but such education has always been around. Furthermore I dont believe a lack of education is a problem.

    About 60% of the people of whom I have shwon my snake to now want one themselves. The problem is that they dont want to pay for one so as it stands one friend has asked me if I want to go "hunting" with him, another friend has already collected some wild Frogs and a third is looking to buy one off-Licence.
    Despite all my efforts to convince them otherwise they are going ahead and doing it. This does not assist in the conservation at all!

    You said "endangered species will be able to be released back into the wild as we have done in the past and are doing". By this do you mean release captive bred snakes back into the wild? If so I really must question the rehabilatation techniques beings used. With feeding of live animals being illegalised how do you teach a snake to hunt for live food when live food is the one thing they cant have?

    Have a look at other species that re-introduction has flawed on. Keiko died and even the Mexican Gray Wolf intorduction was a flop with many of the Re-introduced Wolves dieing.

    According to Benjamin Beck, ​
    [FONT=KOLFMK+Verdana,Verdana]"We can find evidence that only 16 (11 percent) of the 145 reintroduction projects contributed to the establishment of a self-sustaining wild population. These sixteen projects reintroduced captive-born wood bison, plains bison, Arabian oryx, Alpine ibex, bald eagle, Harris’ hawk, peregrine falcon, Aleutian goose, bean goose, lesser white-fronted goose, wood duck, masked bobwhite quail, Galapagos iguana, pine snake, and Galapagos tortoise." [/FONT]
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    Many of these examples are translocations into previously occupied or vacant habitat, and were not pivotal to the survival of the species. ​

    While Beck also outlines how reintroduction efforts can be valuable in other ways, he acknowledges that
    [FONT=KOLFMK+Verdana,Verdana]"at this point…. there is not overwhelming evidence that reintroduction is successful."
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  13. expansa1

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    G'day Eylandt, with the releases I am not talking about rehabilitated animals. I am talking about the release of hatchlings of an endangered species back into the wild. Snakes and pythons etc should be released soon after hatching and not fed in captivity. This form of conservation will only work if a holistic approach is adopted and the ecosystem that they are released into is protected! I agree that long-term captive animals most often do not re-adapt to life back in the wild. That is why we are not allowed (and I totally agree) to release our turtles that came from the pet industry many years ago.
     
  14. blackghost

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    Who the hell is mr webb???? Now I wish I had of corrected that when indicus mentioned it, but
    I just ignored it, as my issue with indicus was something completely different to what ever your
    going on about. You mr/s browns have got me mixed up with someone else big time. Besides
    that, you go on with apologising to Lockie for going off the track, but you continue to do so???

    If you or anyone has got a problem with me or my avatar that yes, does come from Tremain's
    line and that is the original pic that I took my damn self and has not been altered in anyway (I
    wouldn't know how to use any altering computer crap if my life depended on it), it would really
    be appreciated if you had the half decency to leave it off someone else's thread and pm me!

    Once again...sorry Lockie. Some people I swear do not have lives, and it's people like this mr
    browns that obviously doesn't have a life him/herself and makes APS look really bad!!!!
     
  15. caustichumor

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    You started the offshoot that this thread took Blackghost.... Talk about shooting yourself in the foot...
     
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