Big Dog thread/pics

[Red-Ink]

Hmm, don't know that one of them would work. He only pulls when he sees another dog, and I think he'd get pretty grumpy having those prongs sticking into him. Cheers though! I am not a great believe in force with animals but for his safety ( & others) he must be restrained. Do you know what those walkers are called that are like a harness but have another line around the shoulders that tighten when the dog pulls? I saw one in a dog training program but never thought Id need it. A straight harness wouldn't work cos he'd just throw his weight into it & I'd stand no chance at all, lol.

Halti pull harness, they work wonders on big stubborn dogs it stops their front legs from going forward and they can't use any force, plus there's no spikes digging into their necks.

Kakariki you could also use a head collar which works well as you control the dogs head then you control the dog, hence horses used a bridle on their heads rather than on the neck.

 

[whiteyluvsrum]

Why spend yer money on that ..........barbed wire works the same way:shock:

no it dosn't, they are actually safer then check chains and if used correctly do not harm the dog in anyway. any collar can be harmfull if used incorrectly or in the hands of tool. its not a permanent collar, its used as tool to help train your dog, pulling on the leash is easy to correct with this collar because 9 times out of 10 it self corrects. but you have to teach your dog first before correcting it.
you are just as ignorant as the shovel brigade that walk around killing snakes. do your research, try it your self. dont judge a book by its cover.

http://www.johnknowsdogs.com/prong-collar-use.htm

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[kakariki]

Halti pull harness, they work wonders on big stubborn dogs it stops their front legs from going forward and they can't use any force, plus there's no spikes digging into their necks.

Kakariki you could also use a head collar which works well as you control the dogs head then you control the dog, hence horses used a bridle on their heads rather than on the neck.

Cheers for that! We were actually talking about halters on chat. Pity I didn't keep any of mine, I had calf halters that would have been perfect for him, lol. I am going to Bonnets tomorrow to size some. I reckon that's the way to go. He is just so dang strong, lol! ( can add pigheaded, pushy etc lol)

whitey, you state "if used correctly" And I'm sure that is the vital key! I have no idea how to use one & wouldn't trust my ability to do so safely so I'll just pass on it, cheers anyway!

 

[gravitation]

Would'nt need to use those horrible prong collars if you taught your dog how to correctly walk on the lead.

 

[whiteyluvsrum]

Would'nt need to use those horrible prong collars if you taught your dog how to correctly walk on the lead.

like I said, you have to TRAIN the dog before you correct it. I would not use this collar on any dog that hasn't been TRAINED first. not everydog is perfect. its one of many tools available to help. most dogs can be trained fine without them, but it makes the process that more quicker.
unless you have owned a big strong dominant or aggressive dog you wont understand the need for this collar, it has its place and when used correctly there is nothing horrible about it. put one on your leg and try it yourself. majority of people that bag them, haven't a clue about them and never used them.

What method do you use gravitation to train and correct a dominant, aggressive dog?

its ignorant people like you that look at it and think its a torture tool and have them banned in victoria, so your safe from these "horrible" collars anyway. but there are still plenty of idiots that are torturing there dogs with buckle, chokes, martingale, and halti collars.

 

[red-devil]

Here is one of my Old Neo x Am Bulldog x Pitty/Dane BOZER - He is 150lb of Menace :evil:lol, nah he's a big softy and livin the good life studding now..

Here is another Male i have "T" he is a goof ball, alot of fun to have around.

Here are some pups off "T" on the ground at the moment - 100% troublemakers :lol:

And here is my princess - A half sister to the male above, Off his grandfather bred to the same mother. She was bottlefed from one day old due to her mum passing away directly after giving birth :cry: Buggy was the sole survivor and a little miracle.

A couple of other members of this site have dogs that i bred, I'll see if they can post up a shot or two

 

[thals]

Those pups are gorgeous! The one above reminds me of my girl as a pup

 

[gravitation]

like I said, you have to TRAIN the dog before you correct it. I would not use this collar on any dog that hasn't been TRAINED first. not everydog is perfect. its one of many tools available to help. most dogs can be trained fine without them, but it makes the process that more quicker.
unless you have owned a big strong dominant or aggressive dog you wont understand the need for this collar, it has its place and when used correctly there is nothing horrible about it. put one on your leg and try it yourself. majority of people that bag them, haven't a clue about them and never used them.

What method do you use gravitation to train and correct a dominant, aggressive dog?

its ignorant people like you that look at it and think its a torture tool and have them banned in victoria, so your safe from these "horrible" collars anyway. but there are still plenty of idiots that are torturing there dogs with buckle, chokes, martingale, and halti collars.

Most 'ignorant' people supposedly like me buy these collars thinking they are a corrective mechanism, and assume that putting the collar on the dog will ease it from pulling, alot of the time it does the opposite, the dog pulls to escape the pain inflicted by these collars, Mind if i put one of them around your neck and then pull with all of my body weight to 'control' you? Point is most people do not know how to use them, and being readily available to the public is stupid.

There is no excuse for a dog to be aggressive, and there is no excuse to not have a dog walk on the lead and be able to control it.

Oh and most people use them as a choke collar, but with the additive of metal prongs.

My opinion; They are cruel and if a dog can be trained to walk normally on a lead (which ALL of them can) there is no need for a prong collar to begin with.

 

[kakariki]

No answer for you gravitation.......you have a very blinkered view of animals.....more pics people! Enough bitching.( no pun intended :lol: )

 

[gozz]

some people shouldnt own dogs ,as they dont understand them
and never will

 

[Vixen]

Here is one of my Old Neo x Am Bulldog x Pitty/Dane

What an awesome mix! Where did you get him?

 

[=bECS=]

Absolutely gorgeous dogs red-devi. So you have pups at the moment heyl * checks with the hubby first :lol: *

 

[whiteyluvsrum]

alot of the time it does the opposite, the dog pulls to escape the pain inflicted by these collars, Mind if i put one of them around your neck and then pull with all of my body weight to 'control' you? Point is most people do not know how to use them, and being readily available to the public is stupid.

There is no excuse for a dog to be aggressive, and there is no excuse to not have a dog walk on the lead and be able to control it.

Oh and most people use them as a choke collar, but with the additive of metal prongs.

My opinion; They are cruel and if a dog can be trained to walk normally on a lead (which ALL of them can) there is no need for a prong collar to begin with.

they will not continue to pull with a prong unless they are desensitized too it which would'nt happen if used properly.

you dont use your body weight to pull with any type of collar. that is miss treating the dog and is an incorrect way to train a dog.

I have tried one around my neck and I used a choke on my self too and I would take the prong anyday.

I agree on how it is stupid that they are readily avaiable to the public without the proper knowledge and training how to use one. same with chokes, haltis and martingales aswell.

there is aggressive dogs. abusive owners are the main contributors but there are other factors that can trigger aggression in dogs aswell like poor breeding, poor sociallizing. there are many types of aggression in dogs like fear aggression, territorial aggression, dominant aggression, predatorial aggession.

the prong collar can't be used as a choke because its a limited slip collar, which means it only tightens to a certain point and then cant be tightened any more, so i don't know where you got that myth from.

not all dogs can be trained to walk on a leash properly with a normal flat collar, if they could there would be no reason for any other collar to exsist. your world sounds grand and I wish it were true but the fact is its not. pull your head out of the sand and have a look at the real world. plus the dogs learn quicker using the prong, hence the process is alot less stressful for you and the dog than tugging and dragging the dog around on a flat collar for weeks. very frustrating and not fun for the dog.

you still haven't answered what you use to train a large dominant dog with?

 

[gravitation]

Blinkered view?
If a dog is raised correctly and trained properly they should walk on the lead? That's blinkered?
It is ALWAYS the owners fault with the acception of mental issues that a dog is aggressive or too dominant. Always. Whether it be the dog not being properly socialised or not having made it clear who is the boss of the house hold if someone thinks otherwise, then they are just making excuses for themselves.

They are all very similar in the way they they think in packs, there are a thousand different methods of training your dog without the use of things like prong collars.

Yeah, you're right, i must be crazy?

 

[gozz]

Voice control is all that is needed in training a dog and time
cheers

 

[gravitation]

you still haven't answered what you use to train a large dominant dog with?

I am simply saying that i think their are many other ways of educating your dogs out of problematic behaviours, and it's an owners responsibility to ensure their dog doesn't grow up with these issues, it's not hard if you put time and effort into it which ALOT of people don't.

Good quality collars and harnesses are my preference.

 

[gravitation]

Voice control is all that is needed in training a dog and time
cheers

Agree 100%

 

[Eylandt]

gravitation, was just wondering what experience and qualifications you are basing these commants on?

 

[m.punja]

How about everyone pulls their heads in and remembers the purpose of the thread is for us to share pics of our big dogs. Anything else can go to another thread. Please continue to share pics of your big dogs, they are great and there are some true monsters out there. If you have problems about stuff take it up elsewhere and don't run this thread into the ground.

 

[m.punja]

thanks to all those who are sharing and enjoying the pics as much as me.