Breeders Registry

Discussion in 'For Sale (Snakes)' started by Scutellatus, May 5, 2018.

  1. Scutellatus

    Scutellatus Well-Known Member

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    How about we start a breeders registry so we can promote the breeders on here and hopefully bring some more traffic to the site.
    Below is an example of how I think it should look. If anyone has any ideas feel free to post them especially on what category you think this registry thread should be in.
    If someone wants to get the ball rolling even better @Pauls_Pythons @Yellowtail.


    Breeders Username:


    Location:


    Reptiles Bred:


    Price Range:


    Freight available:


    Contact Details - (Optional)
    Ph:
    Email:
     
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  2. Pauls_Pythons

    Pauls_Pythons Power Seller Power Seller

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    Certainly something that I'm in favour of for the site.
     
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  3. Yellowtail

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    I'm all for it, there are lots of people relatively new to the hobby that will find a list of reputable breeders invaluable and it looks like Facebook will be stopping adds for live animals although Reptile Classifieds is promoting links from the Facebook groups to the site.
    It could be part of the "For Sale" or stand alone with links to adds.
     
  4. Scutellatus

    Scutellatus Well-Known Member

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    It could possibly be stickied to the top of the For Sale section. Do either of you two want to be the first to put their details down? First in first on the list.... Then the top post can be edited with some posting rules and our chat cleaned to make it registry details only.
     
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  5. Pauls_Pythons

    Pauls_Pythons Power Seller Power Seller

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    Might need to add whether freight is available. Some breeders will only sell local.
     
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    Sounds like a great idea
     
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    great idea
     
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  8. Nero Egernia

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    Sounds good. It can be difficult looking for a particular critter and you can't find who breeds or sells them because you don't have the connections that long time hobbyists have. I would put my name up but I haven't really bred anything yet, and if I have I no longer keep the animals or I haven't bred enough to be listed on a breeder's registry.

    I don't think listing a price range would work, however, as prices change all the time. People sometimes do not wish to list a price until the animals are ready to go, or for other reasons.

    Maybe instead of listing all the breeders in a single thread, you could split it into linked groups.

    An example (the breeders are just examples):

    Snakes, Lizards, Turtles, Frogs, Invertebrates.

    Click on "Lizards".

    Lizards ------> Dragons, Geckos, Monitors, Pygopods, Skinks.

    Click on "Skinks". Then scroll down through the list of species (perhaps alphabetical order). Under the species name the breeder will be listed underneath.

    Tiliqua multifasciata
    Breeder: John Smith
    Breeder: Mick Taylor

    Tiliqua nigrolutea
    Breeder: Homer Simpson
    Breeder: Kimberly Craig

    Tiliqua occipitalis
    Breeder: Edna Marie

    Tiliqua rugosa
    N/A

    Tiliqua scincoides
    Breeder: Darian Frey
    Breeder: Micheal Dundee

    Click on the breeder you would like to make an inquiry to.

    John Smith ------> Contact details.

    Or perhaps have a search engine in which you type in the critter you're interested in purchasing and then a list of registered breeders will show up. Just some ideas and thoughts anyway.
     
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    Scutellatus Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the feedback Kayla.
    In regard to price I think it needs to be there so that people don't waste their time or the breeders with unnecessary contact finding out prices. We could make it optional though.
    In regard to the linked groups, it is a great idea but would mean a bit of work for @Stuart which I am not sure he has time for. Maybe if we get a list going in posts and then the linked groups can be looked at down the track.
     
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    Great idea.. . This would be amazing.. I am a little bit reluctant on buying from a pet store....
     
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    The only reason I would ever buy from a pet shop would be to save an animal from suffering. Very few pet shops breed anything so their animals came from somewhere.....a breeder. And are marked up in price accordingly and the conditions are generally not the best. And you really need to be mindful of quarantine when buying an animal that has potentially been handled by hundreds of people.
     
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    Learnt this the hard way with my rescue coastal, who was euthanised this week. Tried to do something good and take him on, however after spending much money at the vet, found out he had several incurable illnesses. Will never buy from a pet store again, not even to save an animal. Not just because of the money, but because our family became very attached to him and were put in the position of having to make the tough call, after out of a good heart trying to help out a placid / surrendered coastal, who really should never have been sold by the pet shop. They didn't argue when I spoke with them, I didn't even ask for a refund, they refunded me in full the $150 and the $30 I wasted on rats the past 6 weeks on a terminally ill python. More than the money on rats, and ultra sounds and hydration therapy, I wasted a lot of energy and emotion which they thought they 'fixed' by reimbursing me the cost of the python. So that says to me, they knew he wasn't 100% - Never again. They are just for profit. Still living with guilt about the burden of responsibility I had regarding the choice to euthanise him. Not fair. Good intentions the buyer can have don't always match the intentions of pet shop...
     
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    Care to elaborate on his illnesses?

    We have purchased a few reptiles in order to save them and in some cases it hasn't ended well. Just curious of his diagnosis?
     
  14. AnthonyL

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    Stompsy, at the risk of a barrage of negative comments and because it was only a few days after I had him euthanised, I wasn't going to reply. However, as time has gone, I am better prepared to respond to you.

    The python was surrended to a local pet store, who are licensed to sell, but don't anymore. They specialise in aquariums now but in the past they did sell reptiles. They still kept up their licence, possibly for the birds they sell. The reason it was handed in to the store is that is where it was purchased from 3 years prior when they did sell reptiles. So they took it on to resell it. It was handed to them free of charge. I went to buy rats and saw this random Coastal, which was a surprise because they didn't sell reptiles a week earlier. It was in a small enclosure with newspaper and no water bowl. There was a sign on the enclosure stating "Friendly, handles well, good for first owner" - Of course, I had to have a hold. The pet store owner proceeded to tell me that the owner handed it in as the family teenagers had lost interest in it and weren't looking after it. They also explained it had been rejecting feeds and the owner was sick of throwing out defrosted rats. The parent of the children wasn't a snake person and unsure of its needs. The pet store said when they collected it from the owners house, there was no heat source. I took it on (in hindsight, a) was thinking with emotion, b) foolish as their was no husbandry history) thinking we are coming into winter, the breed is known to go off food, I'll take it home and be patient, warm him up and try to rehab it to eventually take food again. I already knew, although it handled well, it wasn't a snake for a first time owner just because it was friendly, as most likely it will need time and money spent on it. Again ruled on this occasion by the heart strings and wanting to do the best by the animal, I took it on as I knew a complete novice may not be the right fit. The store owner said "he has a lump in his belly, so one of my staffers must have successfully fed him on my day off." It cost me $150. Over priced? Yes, but again I was thinking about the animals welfare. 6 weeks went by, no feeds. Didn't panic because at that stage winter had set in. I was going back to the pet store for single rats for it and my other snakes (as I don't have the room for bulk storage at the moment) When I went in I'd casually explain the Coastal still isn't eating. The pet store owner said, doesn't surprise me, it was too thin (although not emaciated) for it's length. Who knows how long it wasn't fed for before we got it and who knows how long ago it's het source blew out. (Indicating it may have been without heat for quite a while not only just recently which is what they eluded when I first bought him.) Anyway with stick-to-itiveness I persevered with the snake. He would reject feeds weekly, with me ending up throwing thawed rats away. I noticed the lump in belly got bigger over two weeks. After 8 weeks of having him, still beautiful temperament but not one single successful feed, I took him to the exotic vet specialist. ($100) Explained to the vet he was soaking in his water bowl for 2 weeks prior. The vet confirmed no mites and said he is dehydrated and trying to rehydrate himself. Explained I have never seen it drink from water bowl. Therefore she have him fluids ($50) then gave me instructions to give him a water bath daily to rehydrate as he's most likely may be impacted, hence dehydration and lump. Girth didn’t match length/age for a typical coastal. The vet explained he was anorexic - baffling me - But that it was most likely fasting from food and water due to an unknown issue. Vet suggested in poor stressful cold conditions, he may have not digested previous meal. Took him away for a week after electrolyte hydration and gave him the prescribed water baths. A week later - No poo.

    I took it back to the vet (Another $100) and thats when she ordered an Ultrasound. (Another $500) The findings were multiple tumors in digestive tract, around the area of impacted bowel that had split from dehydration, rendering him in need of almost a $2000 operation, with uncertain future re: feeding because of the trauma due to previous poor husbandry. I had him euthanaised (another $120) - I just felt with several issues needing to be resolved, a slowly emerging history of poor husbandry and no guarantee that post surgery he could be rehabbed, I should make the call to euthanise. I'm still so cut up about it. Not the Money. The life I ended.

    Lessons for me: 1) Don't buy a snake on emotion 2) Don’t buy a snake without knowing husbandry history even if you have good motive. 3) Just because I have good intentions, doesn't mean there aren’t others who have greedy ones.

    The snake should have been surrendered to an animal hospital or the RSPCA, not the pet store. They scored a free snake and thought, Free, friendly, winner winner. They should have seen the conditions and advised customer to take it to the vet or RSPCA, Lort smith, absolutely anywhere for assistance, but not the pet store.

    After I euthanised him I explained the issues with the snake to the pet store. They confirmed it had no water bowl when they collected him, so they weren't surprised. "Count your losses - You shouldn't have put any money into an Ultrasound. I am absolving myself of that choice, but I will however give you $150 back you paid for it and $30 you have spent on rejected rats and give you 20% off rats when you come in in future. We will BOTH count our losses, because it took two hours out of my staffs day to collect it at $25 per hour, plus I am losing $150 in refund, plus I also had to throw out rats which cost me and plus I am reimbursing you for rats. Let's both count our losses and you go spend another $100 on a young coastal and raise it well, not like the animals who gave us a sick snake to sell and we can both just move on. You shouldn't have got the ultra sound, you could have bought 5 baby Coastals for that.”

    His response showed me it was about dollars, period. His focus is on profit, not welfare. I get it was my choice to buy it, but it was also there choice to sell it, one I feel they took lightly in the beginning when they took it on, but also in relation to their attitude after they were made aware of what transpired woth the python.

    The other staff member was there on this occasion, I asked them about the 'in store' feed - He said that it was never successfully fed in store, that lump was there when they got it and he assumed it was a rat. However, it wasn't a food lump from the store or the owner. It was tumours and an impacted bowel. They were both assuming the lump was another staff member feeding it, but never communicated with each other before someone bought it to confirm this is the case. No one in store had successfully fed it but it took me to investigate after it was dead for them to establish this amongst their own staff.

    I am ticked off that I asked the questions at the start and only slowly bit by bit got more information out of them each time I went back. They also didn't communicate with each other in-store, about its husbandry, which if they had would have established it hadn't had a successful feed on their time. They also should have been up front from the get go about all their findings when they collected the python, not gave me information in dribs and drabs. Really, after the snakes conditions were realised at the owners house, they should have turned away and not even collected it and let the owner make the choice on what to do, not take it and palm it off as a good first snake because of temperament.

    Hope this information helps. I know I am as much to blame here. I honestly had good intentions. I am still quite gutted. No judgement please.

    I take comfort in knowing the pet store in question don't sell reptiles to the public, thank God. But also, that while I had it I tried my best and gave him the best care I could within my knowledge and fed as much as my budget could afford and then some, in trying to help him.
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    Btw, apologies Admin - No offense taken if my post is moved to a different thread.
     
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    Thanks for explaining. Poor guy.

    And after reading your post, they blatantly lied to you about it having been fed if they knew it had come in with the lump. No one here is going to berate you for trying your hardest to help the snake.

    My only concern is the vet not running those scans straight away after hearing the lump had been there for longer than 6 weeks. That seems odd to me.

    The attitude of the pet shop however does not surprise me at all.
     
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    She was treating for bowel impaction first and dehydration. Trying to move the mass, we were told was ‘food’ - I trusted her on that call. A week later she ordered the ultrasound. Unsure if that was the right thing to do. Tricky when you are newer to this and relyignon advice from the experts. 20 yrs exp in reptiles, 10 of thise years in a zoo, so I trusted her process of elimination.

    My first disastrous experience. Hope its my last. Definitely not taking the personal lessons Inhave learned from this lightly.

    Again, it’s not the money. (Although I don’t have spare to just burn) It’s the life. A part of pet ownership I’ve always struggled with over the decades.

    Thanks for listening
     
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    Has this been created yet? I'm pairing my diamonds this season and am super keen to get the bubs advertised. The parents are gorgeous and beautifully natured. This will be my first season!
     
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    Money Hungry pet shop & vet, sorry for your loss mate...
    I've seen too much bad husbandry lately it makes you wonder whats happened to people to care so little about an animal that THEY ARE KEEPING LOCKED IN A CAGE FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL ENJOYMENT.
    sorry but angry is not the word for it...
    I've considered putting a cage in my own back yard here in Melb. to see how they go stripped to nothing without a heat source for just a night :}
     
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