Breeding

[ZoolNerd]

Hi All,

I'm new to the forums but have been keeping snakes for roughly 6 years now. I want to get into breeding special morphs of snakes (albino, caramels etc) and I was wondering if any patient person with experience out there would want to mentor a newbie ? I have studied Biology and Zoology at university so I shouldn't be TOO difficult to teach but expect silly questions

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[Foozil]

In terms of the actual genetics or their husbandry?
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[ZoolNerd]

In terms of the actual genetics or their husbandry?
Welcome to APS

More the actual genetics there are so many different terms [emoji50]. The husbandry a little bit too but I'm going to buy myself that Aussie python husbandry and breeding book everyone recommends.

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[Foozil]

More the actual genetics there are so many different terms [emoji50]. The husbandry a little bit too but I'm going to buy myself that Aussie python husbandry and breeding book everyone recommends.

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Ah ok. To be honest reptile genetics is very easy to understand when you start to get into it, so I'd recommend watching some youtube videos or just check out a few websites on the subject.

 

[ZoolNerd]

Ah ok. To be honest reptile genetics is very easy to understand, so I'd recommend watching some youtube videos on the subject.

Thank you just wasn't even sure where to start but I shall go hunting

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[Bl69aze]

Not sure how clear this pic comes out, but it’s the basic albino off spring chart.

As you mentioned, mike swans book is great.

Lots of different genetics:
http://www.moreliapythonradio.com/Morphs-of-the-Morelia-complex.html

Some are recessive, some are dominant, some can be co dominant etc.

The first thing I’d learn is what homozygous and heterozygous means

 

[ZoolNerd]

Not sure how clear this pic comes out, but it’s the basic albino off spring chart.

As you mentioned, mike swans book is great.

Lots of different genetics:
http://www.moreliapythonradio.com/Morphs-of-the-Morelia-complex.html

Some are recessive, some are dominant, some can be co dominant etc.

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Thank you heaps for that! I actually found that pic before and have been looking for it. I guess the stuff im wondering about is like what exactlt defines a jaguar, caramel, zebra, granite, fluro etc. Not sure where to find some resources on that.

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Not sure how clear this pic comes out, but it’s the basic albino off spring chart.

As you mentioned, mike swans book is great.

Lots of different genetics:
http://www.moreliapythonradio.com/Morphs-of-the-Morelia-complex.html

Some are recessive, some are dominant, some can be co dominant etc.

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The first thing I’d learn is what homozygous and heterozygous means

Don't worry I'm silly you just posted a link to exactly what I needed ! Thank you heaps for your help

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[Foozil]

Thank you heaps for that! I actually found that pic before and have been looking for it. I guess the stuff im wondering about is like what exactlt defines a jaguar, caramel, zebra, granite, fluro etc. Not sure where to find some resources on that.

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Well those are only a few examples of certain traits, so some might be recessive, co-dominant, dominant, polygenic etc.

 

[ZoolNerd]

Well those are only a few examples of certain traits, so some might be recessive, co-dominant, dominant, polygenic etc.

True I was actually reading up on polygenic inheritance just before will keep just doing a bunch more research I have more than enough time to learn my pythons I want to breed are only hatchlings at the moment.

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[Foozil]

True I was actually reading up on polygenic inheritance just before will keep just doing a bunch more research I have more than enough time to learn my pythons I want to breed are only hatchlings at the moment.

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Mind sharing some pics of what you have?

 

[ZoolNerd]

Mind sharing some pics of what you have?

Love to ! I pick up my het Darwin and albino Darwin pair on Friday so don't have them yet and just picked up a Bredli where the pick is a little blurry but don't want to disturb him again just yet he was being kept in horrible conditions his substrate was a folded up kids blanket ! I don't think he had heat and i dont think they understand how reptiles thermoregulate at all [emoji26]

Also don't laugh at the gloves i didn't know when he had eaten last haha [emoji23]

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[Foozil]

Very nice collection!

 

[ZoolNerd]

Very nice collection!

Thank you very much !! [emoji16]

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[Pauls_Pythons]

Ah ok. To be honest reptile genetics is very easy to understand

Maybe some of the single genetic traits such as albino are simple but good luck working out multiple genetic markers.

 

[Shire pythons]

hey mate heres a link to carpet python genetics calculator . thid will tell you all possible morphs and traits and the outcomes of crossing them etc .. also hte site will show you examples.. very handy site
https://www.morphmarket.com/c/reptiles/pythons/carpet-pythons/genetic-calculator/
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Maybe some of the single genetic traits such as albino are simple but good luck working out multiple genetic markers.

this makes it pretty easy

 

[ZoolNerd]

Maybe some of the single genetic traits such as albino are simple but good luck working out multiple genetic markers.

This is the problem haha

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hey mate heres a link to carpet python genetics calculator . thid will tell you all possible morphs and traits and the outcomes of crossing them etc .. also hte site will show you examples.. very handy site
https://www.morphmarket.com/c/reptiles/pythons/carpet-pythons/genetic-calculator/
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this makes it pretty easy

Perfect! Thanks so much for that

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[Pauls_Pythons]

this makes it pretty easy

Only if you breed American lines lol.
If an animal over there has a tinge of a different colour or a stripe/band that is slightly different it gets a new name. Its not as clear cut as this might appear.

Then the 2nd problem when dealing with mixed genetics is actually picking what you have visually in the clutch when they hatch.

 

[Foozil]

Maybe some of the single genetic traits such as albino are simple but good luck working out multiple genetic markers.

Good call, but @ZoolNerd is a smart person by the sound of it

 

[ZoolNerd]

Only if you breed American lines lol.
If an animal over there has a tinge of a different colour or a stripe/band that is slightly different it gets a new name. Its not as clear cut as this might appear.

Then the 2nd problem when dealing with mixed genetics is actually picking what you have visually in the clutch when they hatch.

Maybe that's why it seems overwhelming ive looked at so many beautiful morphs of ball pythons. They're always like " this is a super lavender moon glow confetti high yellow " haha

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Good call, but @ZoolNerd is a smart person by the sound of it

Ah thank you ! [emoji5]

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[Bl69aze]

Maybe that's why it seems overwhelming ive looked at so many beautiful morphs of ball pythons. They're always like " this is a super lavender moon glow confetti high yellow " haha

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Yea we don’t have anywhere NEAR just their ball pythons have. Maybe one day, but I think I heard on snakebytestv there’s like 100 different different morph names (not mixed just 100%)